Friday, October 31, 2014

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Overhead casting help needed

I agree a one on one instructor will help you improve faster. It sounds like your on the right track with seeking other resources, just keep practicing. I encourage you watch your back and forward casts and learn how your movements effect your loops. It's all about learning to send movement from your body down to you fly with the least resistance in between. Lefty Kreh's approach has always made good sense to me.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Overhead casting help needed

You're on the opposite compass direction from me -- but I think you're up near Trent.  Though I've never watched him cast, he's a FFF dude and I picture that he's pretty darn good.  

Nothing improves your driving like a ticket!  Having someone watch you is great -- even just video is helpful, because you can swear that you're doing something only to realize that you are not.  Even just talking to Dan one evening he explained that I was likely throwing a curve into my backcast due to combination of side-arm style and looking over my shoulder a lot, and he was spot-on.  My loop is better now that I'm aware of it.  

Gene

On Friday, October 31, 2014 11:08:52 AM UTC-4, Andrew Wiggins wrote:
Awesome, thanks for the tips. I'm in Bethesda and may try taking a lesson or two with a local casting instructor. To this point, I'm basically self taught from YouTube etc, which has almost too many casting videos. I was thinking that I should try video taping myself (catching leaves) and attempt to diagnose what's going wrong ( or right) . I often find that a good feel ( loading) doesn't always translate into a good cast. In terms  of my loops, they're generally pretty open, particularly with the longer rod (9-9") I've started using. With shorter rods I can develop a decent tight loop, however i find that it's not always repeatable. I likely need to practice more and figuring out what went wrong. The other night I was working on my loop with no haul and a target at 30 or so feet. My first 5-6 or so were tight and right on target, and then they my attention let up or something and the loop opened up and the cast would start to hook. I suspect this is just how it goes (at least for the uncoordinated).

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Overhead casting help needed

Awesome, thanks for the tips. I'm in Bethesda and may try taking a lesson or two with a local casting instructor. To this point, I'm basically self taught from YouTube etc, which has almost too many casting videos. I was thinking that I should try video taping myself (catching leaves) and attempt to diagnose what's going wrong ( or right) . I often find that a good feel ( loading) doesn't always translate into a good cast. In terms of my loops, they're generally pretty open, particularly with the longer rod (9-9") I've started using. With shorter rods I can develop a decent tight loop, however i find that it's not always repeatable. I likely need to practice more and figuring out what went wrong. The other night I was working on my loop with no haul and a target at 30 or so feet. My first 5-6 or so were tight and right on target, and then they my attention let up or something and the loop opened up and the cast would start to hook. I suspect this is just how it goes (at least for the uncoordinated).

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fly fishing bucket list

I'm gathering information for an upcoming article in a fly fishing journal and would appreciate any input you can provide.  In fact, anyone who contributes, I'll provide a draft copy to gather additional feedback and a copy of the magazine after publication.  It's three simple questions and interpret as you see fit.
 
  1. What was your first fish on a fly rod ? what, when,  and where
  2. What species are on your bucket list and why ?
  3. A brief (no more than a paragraph) summary of your favorite fly fishing memory.
Thanks a lot - every comment is appreciated. If you know of any other fly fishing forums, where I could gather additional input - send that along also.
 
Mike
 
You can either post or feel free to send me an email at mreingruber@broadpoint.net or mreingruber52@gmail.com
 
 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Overhead casting help needed

I consider myself a to be a good one-handed caster, but have taken up the 2 hander the last few years for steelhead fishing.  Youtube is ok, but as a left handed caster it can be difficult translating what they are doing to what I should be doing.  i made much more progress when I went out with one of the guys from a shop back in Buffalo for a couple hours.  Even though he didn't cast left handed, he was able to show me what I should be doing/was doing wrong. 
 
I guess what I am saying is getting one on one help is the way to go.  A good caster/teacher will speed up your learning curve way more than videos will.  Even if you have to pay someone a couple hundred bucks, it will be worth it.
 
I remember about ten years ago I considered myself to be a pretty hotshot fly caster after fishing mostly trout/steelhead waters for my whole life.  Went down to the keys to fish for tarpon and learned very quickly how wrong I was.  The skills required are on a whole other level. 

On Friday, October 31, 2014 9:09:43 AM UTC-4, Terry C wrote:
Andrew,  You Tube is the greatest thing as far as casting demo's.  I have spent countless hours working on my 2 handed casting and going back to videos on Y.T.   Saying that, nothing beats a lesson from a casting instructor, which I am not.   There are several in the club who are.  Worth the money. .  

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:47:33 PM UTC-4, Andrew Wiggins wrote:
Anyone down to help teach a relative newbie basic single-hand overhand casting (am willing to bribe)?. A little background: I've been fly-fishing for about 2 years and have self-selected forms of fishing which don't really require much casting. i.e. small brushy streams  such Beaver Creek MD/SNP/Gunpowder where I can use short roll type casts for almost everything. I'm looking to branch out a little and have started practicing overhead casting with and w/o double-hauling after work (on grass). This has been fairly comical especially as I try to carry more line and  vary my orientation with respect to the the wind. A persistent problem is that my backcast doesn't stay high enough. I've been working through some of the tutorials on sexyloops and Joan Wulff's book, but thought there might be some good resources here. Thanks for your help. 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fishing trips, tournaments, and fund raisers


a few more pics of Casting for Recovery 2 Fly 4 Hope...

 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Overhead casting help needed

Andrew,  You Tube is the greatest thing as far as casting demo's.  I have spent countless hours working on my 2 handed casting and going back to videos on Y.T.   Saying that, nothing beats a lesson from a casting instructor, which I am not.   There are several in the club who are.  Worth the money. .  

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:47:33 PM UTC-4, Andrew Wiggins wrote:
Anyone down to help teach a relative newbie basic single-hand overhand casting (am willing to bribe)?. A little background: I've been fly-fishing for about 2 years and have self-selected forms of fishing which don't really require much casting. i.e. small brushy streams  such Beaver Creek MD/SNP/Gunpowder where I can use short roll type casts for almost everything. I'm looking to branch out a little and have started practicing overhead casting with and w/o double-hauling after work (on grass). This has been fairly comical especially as I try to carry more line and  vary my orientation with respect to the the wind. A persistent problem is that my backcast doesn't stay high enough. I've been working through some of the tutorials on sexyloops and Joan Wulff's book, but thought there might be some good resources here. Thanks for your help. 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: 09/12/09 Dogue Creek

Hah, blast from the past.  Here is the post Josh is referencing where I first wrote about the Snakehead Terror in '09:  https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tidal-potomac-fly-rodders/gNXt8iFq8Zs/gs0XMNI8xxMJ (hadn't seen a pic of my old truck in a while).

The idea for the "Snakehead Terror" came from the fact that many conventional Bass fishermen were catching Snakeheads (incidentally) on buzzbaits.  I used to be quite the fan of fishing buzzbaits back in the day, and I knew of nothing in a fly box that could make the same kind of racket.  For that matter, most of the commercially available Bass Bugs and poppers are ridiculously small when compared to most of the topwater lures conventional Bass anglers use.  So, I set out to create a surface fly that would make a similar disturbance of a buzzbait but with the added benefit of being able to pause the retrieve, or move the fly through small holes in the vegetation (buzzbaits need a bit of a running start to work their magic and can't be stopped mid retrieve).

The original prototypes in the above post used a wire bite guard passed through a synthetic wine cork then haywire twisted to a large 3/0 hook I dressed with saddle hackle, marabou, and flash.  I've since made some significant improvements and have settled on a pretty decent design, thought there are still a few bugs to work out.  The fly now consists of a 6/0 Gamakatsu SL12S hook dressed with Saddle Hackles, Krystal Flash, Estaz Body, Flashabou, and Marabou wound on the shank.  Rubber can be added behind the marabou if desired.  Instead of a wire bite guard, I now use a 55mm straight shank from "flymen".  I use 3/8" stick on eyes and have added rubber legs protruding through the cork head 

Basic Instructions:

- Pull cork from wine bottle and consume contents

- Tie in 6-8 Saddle Hackles at the rear of the hook.  I prefer them to splay out (opposing each other) similar to tarpon flies

- Add several strands of Krystal Flash to each side

- Tie in Estaz and wind a dense, tight body leaving room for the Marabou (the Estaz helps "flare out" the Marabou skirt giving it some good body when wet)

- Add a few strands (sparse) of fine Flashabou, or more Krystal Flash in front of the Estaz Body

- Tie in a well formed Marabou feather by the tip and wind it forward (popsicle style).  It will take several feathers and you can alternate colors to get the desired effect/appearance

- Tie off the thread and glue

- Add the articulated shank to the hook eye, tie off with thread and glue

- Prepare the cork by boring a straight hole through the center with a sharp bodkin or with a very fine drill bit

- Use the same bodkin or drill bit to bore holes through the cork body and use a bobbin threader to pull the rubber legs through the holes

- Add eyes and slide the cork onto the shank.  Do not glue the cork on, it will stay put.  By not permanently affixing the cork head, you can interchange different heads on different bodies to alternate color schemes.

- Tie it to your favorite 10-weight and go fish!

About the corks, I have found through lots of geeky research that the type of synthetic corks that have a dense foam center and a rubberized coating are best suited for the fly.  I suppose one could paint them, but I kind of like leaving the original logos and art alone.  Besides, it takes a sophisticated Bass to know that marabou pairs nicely with a good Malbec.  In the photos below, I have included a bunch of identifiable corks that fit the bill.  Nothing worse then peeling the foil from a bottle only to find it doesn't have the right cork in it.  OK, there are a few worse things, but I done the work and weeded out some of the brands so you don't have to.  I particularly like the cheetah pattern on the Sebeka wines from South Africa.  Now, if I could only invent a pattern incorporating screw caps from Evan Williams bottles!

To Dalton's comment, no Snakeheads have ever been landed on the "Snakehead Terror", which suggests it is aptly named since it does in fact terrorize them!  It has proven to be an incredibly deadly Bass fly though (no droppers necessary Carl).  Fish absolutely explode on it since it obviously needs a good killin' first!  I even took a pretty big Blue Catfish on it at 2:30AM during the 2013 Snakehead Tournament.

Oh, and the name of course is in homage to the ridonkulous movie, "Snakehead Terror", that came out in the peak of the Chicken Little media hysteria that accompanied the first several years of the fish's introduction.  Pretty sure it was shot entirely on location at the Duck Pond:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2S7zB6OoeI

Attached are a few pictures to make some sense of the above.

Happy Halloween everyone!

Dan Davala

Oh, and for more fun things you can do with wine corks, I highly recommend the book "Cork Boat" by John Pollack.  Very inspiring!



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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Overhead casting help needed

Where are you located?

There are several, very skilled casters in the group -- I'm not one of them, but I've worked with them (and on my own of course, relentlessly) and viewed probably every casting tutorial that exists (Borger, Wulff, Kreh, that Orvis guy who sounds Australian and wears the blue shirt, etc.). 

What do your loops look like?  That always seems the most central component to me -- everything should build (hauling, shooting line, etc.) on good, narrow loops and should not "stand in" in place of them.  It's easier for me to carry a lot of line in the cast if I have really good loops on the backcast, moving "upward" and behind me with good line speed.  

Someone watching you would probably help.  And yes, trout fishing can be more about managing a drift with very short amounts of line out than actually launching a cast out there.  I consider saltwater fly fisherman among the most technically sound casters in the world because (to me) there isn't anything more demanding than quickly making a 40-60' cast to a moving target, with nearly guaranteed wind and a long leader and typically heavy fly.  Most of the trout fishing I've done in NO WAY prepares the angler for this.  

Hence:



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On Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:47:33 PM UTC-4, Andrew Wiggins wrote:
Anyone down to help teach a relative newbie basic single-hand overhand casting (am willing to bribe)?. A little background: I've been fly-fishing for about 2 years and have self-selected forms of fishing which don't really require much casting. i.e. small brushy streams  such Beaver Creek MD/SNP/Gunpowder where I can use short roll type casts for almost everything. I'm looking to branch out a little and have started practicing overhead casting with and w/o double-hauling after work (on grass). This has been fairly comical especially as I try to carry more line and  vary my orientation with respect to the the wind. A persistent problem is that my backcast doesn't stay high enough. I've been working through some of the tutorials on sexyloops and Joan Wulff's book, but thought there might be some good resources here. Thanks for your help. 

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Thursday, October 30, 2014

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Overhead casting help needed

Anyone down to help teach a relative newbie basic single-hand overhand casting (am willing to bribe)?. A little background: I've been fly-fishing for about 2 years and have self-selected forms of fishing which don't really require much casting. i.e. small brushy streams  such Beaver Creek MD/SNP/Gunpowder where I can use short roll type casts for almost everything. I'm looking to branch out a little and have started practicing overhead casting with and w/o double-hauling after work (on grass). This has been fairly comical especially as I try to carry more line and  vary my orientation with respect to the the wind. A persistent problem is that my backcast doesn't stay high enough. I've been working through some of the tutorials on sexyloops and Joan Wulff's book, but thought there might be some good resources here. Thanks for your help. 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: 09/12/09 Dogue Creek

If you hook a minnow onto it, you might catch something :-)    

It looks like a fancy (or not so fancy) bobber. ;-)  


On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Dalton Terrell <daltonbterrell@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's a picture from Todd a few years back:

Looks like deer hair, flash and hackles on a hook streamer style and a barefoot wine cork threaded up the line. Todd or Dan may have to confirm this question, but I don't know if a Snakehead has ever been landed on one.

Dalton

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RE: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fishing trips, tournaments, and fund raisers

The lady in the Casting for Recovery photo is Maria Wilson, a Chesapeake Women Angler and teammate of Rachel Willingham.
Thanks to all the TPFR folks who came to the 2 Fly 4 Hope Fly Fishing Challenge. The weather was grand, there were fish, the raffle was really good, and everyone had a great time. We also raised a bunch of money!

C


Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:53:00 -0400
Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fishing trips, tournaments, and fund raisers
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On Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:55:46 PM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:
Hey guys…  after reading the comments, I thought it'd be nice to tout a few acknowledgements and give a little credit to those who have made a little difference in others today.

I just got back from an event called the Cape Lookout Albacore Festival – a fundraising fishing tournament for Project Healing Waters Fly Fishing.  This is a solid albacore fishing event that I've attended for the last 10 years as just a friendly event that was turned into a revitalized fundraiser for PHWFF.  Over $10K was raised during the course of the event, and a good time was had by all.  Lots of big fish were caught, and lots of laughter.  I highly encourage anyone who has a hankering to catch big false albacore next year to attend the event.  I'll organize it a little better next year and set up a house rental and try to line up boats for people, but give it a look.  It's a good time and a worthwhile cause.  Of course, we caught a few fish too.  In attendance were folks this board will recognize such as Rolando Rodriquez, Beau Beasley, Marty Laksbergs, Doug Rink, Bob Clouser, Blane Chocklett, all the guys you've seen in the RA Beattie film Nervous Waters (the segment titled Bird Chasers – click for link), as well as many more and I'd like to give them a public thank you for helping out with this event.
 

Took a few days to head a little further south in NC to visit a guide and good friend to chase redfish on both a tailing tide and dropping tide to watch them eat shrimp and fiddler crabs.  This is something I enjoy more than most fishing.  I'm lucky to have spent enough time down there to know that this is challenging AND rewarding, as I learn something new every time I try to catch those pretty copper-colored blue-tails.  If you ever decide you want to try this, give Allen Cain a call - http://www.sightfishnc.com/
   

While I was out having a good time in the land of pork barbecue and sweet tea, a few others here in the group and from our shop were at the Rose River Farm at the Casting For Recovery 2-Fly For Hope event.  I'd like to personally thanks a few members here as well for taking the time to help women in need and raise money for a worthwhile cause – Victor Kernus, Casey Peltier, Davis Walker, Bob Gartner, Kaitlin Groundwater, and our own Ivan Sanchez and Jake Hamilton.

I look forward to working with these folks each year and many thanks to everyone who helped or participated.


Regards,

R


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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fishing trips, tournaments, and fund raisers

I love laughing gulls -- they're a spunky bird!  We had one down in NC pick up a piece of friend chicken and try to fly off with it but he couldn't get lift!  I sort of forgot how light birds really are, and how little it takes to weigh them down.  Some other gulls attacked him and crispy skin went eerywhere.  

You're luck to get to handle one!  

Gene

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:17:37 PM UTC-4, D. Walker wrote:
Looks like you had a GREAT trip!

Casting for recovery was a lot of fun! definitely a long day as well.
here is a video I took of Ryan landing one on my beat in the morning session



On Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:53:11 PM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:
He wasn't laughing then…


But yes.




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From: TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com>
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Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at 2:43 PM
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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fishing trips, tournaments, and fund raisers

Laughing gull?  

Gene

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:42:59 PM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
Beautiful Rich!  Thank you for sharing these.  Boy, those redfish are really pretty -- I'd love to get into one of those....over and over.  

Gene

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:55:46 PM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:
Hey guys…  after reading the comments, I thought it'd be nice to tout a few acknowledgements and give a little credit to those who have made a little difference in others today.

I just got back from an event called the Cape Lookout Albacore Festival – a fundraising fishing tournament for Project Healing Waters Fly Fishing.  This is a solid albacore fishing event that I've attended for the last 10 years as just a friendly event that was turned into a revitalized fundraiser for PHWFF.  Over $10K was raised during the course of the event, and a good time was had by all.  Lots of big fish were caught, and lots of laughter.  I highly encourage anyone who has a hankering to catch big false albacore next year to attend the event.  I'll organize it a little better next year and set up a house rental and try to line up boats for people, but give it a look.  It's a good time and a worthwhile cause.  Of course, we caught a few fish too.  In attendance were folks this board will recognize such as Rolando Rodriquez, Beau Beasley, Marty Laksbergs, Doug Rink, Bob Clouser, Blane Chocklett, all the guys you've seen in the RA Beattie film Nervous Waters (the segment titled Bird Chasers – click for link), as well as many more and I'd like to give them a public thank you for helping out with this event.
 

Took a few days to head a little further south in NC to visit a guide and good friend to chase redfish on both a tailing tide and dropping tide to watch them eat shrimp and fiddler crabs.  This is something I enjoy more than most fishing.  I'm lucky to have spent enough time down there to know that this is challenging AND rewarding, as I learn something new every time I try to catch those pretty copper-colored blue-tails.  If you ever decide you want to try this, give Allen Cain a call - http://www.sightfishnc.com/
   

While I was out having a good time in the land of pork barbecue and sweet tea, a few others here in the group and from our shop were at the Rose River Farm at the Casting For Recovery 2-Fly For Hope event.  I'd like to personally thanks a few members here as well for taking the time to help women in need and raise money for a worthwhile cause – Victor Kernus, Casey Peltier, Davis Walker, Bob Gartner, Kaitlin Groundwater, and our own Ivan Sanchez and Jake Hamilton.

I look forward to working with these folks each year and many thanks to everyone who helped or participated.


Regards,

R


Richard Farino

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fishing trips, tournaments, and fund raisers

Looks like you had a GREAT trip!

Casting for recovery was a lot of fun! definitely a long day as well.
here is a video I took of Ryan landing one on my beat in the morning session



On Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:53:11 PM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:
He wasn't laughing then…


But yes.




Richard Farino

Urban Angler VA 108 N. Washington Street  2nd Floor | Alexandria, VA 22314 Google_Maps_Marker

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From: TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at 2:43 PM
To: <tidal-potoma...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fishing trips, tournaments, and fund raisers

Laughing gull?  

Gene

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:42:59 PM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
Beautiful Rich!  Thank you for sharing these.  Boy, those redfish are really pretty -- I'd love to get into one of those....over and over.  

Gene

On Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:55:46 PM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:
Hey guys…  after reading the comments, I thought it'd be nice to tout a few acknowledgements and give a little credit to those who have made a little difference in others today.

I just got back from an event called the Cape Lookout Albacore Festival – a fundraising fishing tournament for Project Healing Waters Fly Fishing.  This is a solid albacore fishing event that I've attended for the last 10 years as just a friendly event that was turned into a revitalized fundraiser for PHWFF.  Over $10K was raised during the course of the event, and a good time was had by all.  Lots of big fish were caught, and lots of laughter.  I highly encourage anyone who has a hankering to catch big false albacore next year to attend the event.  I'll organize it a little better next year and set up a house rental and try to line up boats for people, but give it a look.  It's a good time and a worthwhile cause.  Of course, we caught a few fish too.  In attendance were folks this board will recognize such as Rolando Rodriquez, Beau Beasley, Marty Laksbergs, Doug Rink, Bob Clouser, Blane Chocklett, all the guys you've seen in the RA Beattie film Nervous Waters (the segment titled Bird Chasers – click for link), as well as many more and I'd like to give them a public thank you for helping out with this event.
 

Took a few days to head a little further south in NC to visit a guide and good friend to chase redfish on both a tailing tide and dropping tide to watch them eat shrimp and fiddler crabs.  This is something I enjoy more than most fishing.  I'm lucky to have spent enough time down there to know that this is challenging AND rewarding, as I learn something new every time I try to catch those pretty copper-colored blue-tails.  If you ever decide you want to try this, give Allen Cain a call - http://www.sightfishnc.com/
   

While I was out having a good time in the land of pork barbecue and sweet tea, a few others here in the group and from our shop were at the Rose River Farm at the Casting For Recovery 2-Fly For Hope event.  I'd like to personally thanks a few members here as well for taking the time to help women in need and raise money for a worthwhile cause – Victor Kernus, Casey Peltier, Davis Walker, Bob Gartner, Kaitlin Groundwater, and our own Ivan Sanchez and Jake Hamilton.

I look forward to working with these folks each year and many thanks to everyone who helped or participated.


Regards,

R


Richard Farino

Urban Angler VA 108 N. Washington Street  2nd Floor | Alexandria, VA 22314 Google_Maps_Marker

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