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Friday, May 31, 2013

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} first season on the potomac: thanks and some highlights so far

Hey all,

I recently moved to DC and was a little worried that good fishing would be tough to come by out here. Turns out I had nothing to fear. I've been a little spoiled by easy access to great water in sparsely populated areas while growing up in southeastern Minnesota and going to school in Oregon, so I was surprised to find such amazing fishing opportunities right in town. Yes, it's a little crowded, but the fishing is awesome, and you never know what's going to be on the other end of the line. In addition to the solid fishing, the fishing community here is super friendly and tight-knit, and it has been great to meet folks while wandering the banks down by Fletchers. I also just wanted to take a second to thank Alex, Eric, Sam, and Dan (some kind folks I've met while in search of fish or fishing gear) for help in figuring out how to fish the Potomac. Good advice all around that has played a key role in many a successful day on the water (not that I could ever really call a day on the water a failure). Also, this is a great forum. Nicely done TPFR, and many thanks.

Every one of you TPFR people I've talked to has told me to post some pictures, so here they finally are, a few highlights from the season so far including my first fish out of the Potomac (a nice smallmouth), first shad, first striper, and biggest striper. All fish came from various spots along the stretch between Fletchers and the Chain Bridge on clouser style flies (except for the shad which hit a dart). Color and specific pattern doesn't seem to matter much. I've had my best luck swinging big flies deep.

(not pictured: mysterious fish, probably a big blue, that I fought for ~30 min before it rubbed through my backing on a rock. epic but expensive battle. thanks to Sam for noticing my struggle and being ready with a net that we never ended up needing.)

Looking forward to continuing to explore this fishery.

Ben

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Striper help before I move!

There has been a good striper bite at Fletchers the last couple of days. The fish have been on the main seam stretching from Walkers Point to the Shelf. Now that the current is slowing it is easier to target these fish on the fly. Several were caught in the last two days on flies. Chartreuse and white have been go to colors. Your best bet is to fish early in the morning before the heat and the recreational boaters screw up the river. I will be opening Fletcher's tomorrow at 6:30am if your'e interested...

On Friday, May 31, 2013 12:10:55 PM UTC-4, Coop wrote:

Hi everyone,

I landed a summer job with California Trout and I'm leaving the DC area in a week. I'm sure I'll be back in the area afterward, but for now my only priority before I leave is to get a striper on the fly. I've gone out a couple times in a kayak at Fletcher's and yesterday afternoon at GP--so far, no luck. Am I cursed or is that normal?

I would love any advice, or if you know of any past posts that address this, that would be great, too. I tried to search the forum for the best techniques for targeting stripers but didn't find anything that was comprehensive. I did see the helpful Fishing Calender post (https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tidal-potomac-fly-rodders/striper$20chart/tidal-potomac-fly-rodders/kFveHTHrhso/o0bg8yDo5tsJ) with the googledoc spreadsheet. I added a tab that is a modification of the "How to Fish Em" tab--I hope that wasn't too bold! (Obviously, feel free to delete, modify, or add to it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtabysjnVlTkdEs1NUktXzhiTktWWnFIY29lZTJEOEE&hl=en#gid=4)

I have a 6 wt, 200 grain streamer express sinking line. I've been using mostly size 2 and 4 clousers. At Fletcher's, I've been parking on a seem (steering clear of other anglers), unloading as much line as I can in the cast, then stripping almost all the rest out to allow the fly to sink, then pulling it all in and repeating. Does that sound right?

Are there places besides Fletcher's and GP that I should try? When is the best time to hit them w respect to tides and time of day?

Maybe I simply need to log some more time on the river--that's a perfectly acceptable answer, too. If anyone wants to go out sometime in the next week, I would welcome company.

Thanks,

Cooper

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Illegal to wade Gravelly Point

I doubt it matters that they see you enter the water as it would be implied that you entered from the shore thus ticket stands as evidenced by aforementioned post.

On Friday, May 31, 2013 11:30:34 AM UTC-4, Aden wrote:

It seems that they can write you a ticket for entering the water from the park service's land but once you are in the water and standing on the stream bed you are no longer in the park service's jurisdiction. You are in MD, DC or VA land. At least that is how state and district wildlife officers have explained it to me the few times I have been ID'd and checked for licenses. They were very confident and nice when I asked them about jurisdiction.

So, if the officer doesn't see you enter the water from their jurisdiction and a MD DC or VA officer says wading is not illegal where you are it seems that the "wading" offense is bunk.

Also, I was written a ticket for parking at Gravelly on the grass the other day. That was strange because there were about 40 other cars doing the same thing but I was the only one fishing. Maybe a coincidence but I was able to talk my way out of it. Sounds like they are cracking down at gravelly. be careful guys.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Snakehead fishing on the Yahoo homepage

I recently caught a 27in snakehead out of Cameron run, upstream of Belle Haven. It had several red long worms in the meat. I never really intended to eat it but filleted it anyhow. Planning on using it for chum filler.

I wonder if Snakheads are more susceptible to parasites than other fish?

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Mike Bailey <mike@baileywx.com> wrote:

Alex Binsted (manager at Fletcher's) as cleaned many Snakehead. More often than not he cuts out some sort of worm or parasite in the fillet. The ones he misses cook up well and have done us no harm to date.

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> wrote:

From the snakehead tourney last year I was told the grow so fast that they don't harbor toxins in their flesh like cats and bass. Maybe data has changed since them but md dnr said they were ok to eat.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Brendan <brendanlilly@gmail.com> wrote:

odenkirk has a sweet gig and man that's a helluva fish.

is there any info on what kinda toxins/metals are found in the meat of potomac snakehead?

i have never eaten a fish out of the tidal potomac, really anywhere below smokehole, but from rich's posts and others, kinda tempted to try them out... very least, a good conversation piece to bring one to a bbq.

just curious, because given the health of the bass and catfish, you couldn't pay me to eat one from here.

thanks,

b

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:51:18 AM UTC-4, FlyTimesDC wrote:
"Lightning perch"....I like it.

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:25:53 AM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:

Saw this on the homepage this morning:

http://news.yahoo.com/tough-yes-snakeheads-may-not-ecological-scourge-050916516.html

R

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Snakehead fishing on the Yahoo homepage

Alex Binsted (manager at Fletcher's) as cleaned many Snakehead. More often than not he cuts out some sort of worm or parasite in the fillet. The ones he misses cook up well and have done us no harm to date.

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> wrote:

From the snakehead tourney last year I was told the grow so fast that they don't harbor toxins in their flesh like cats and bass. Maybe data has changed since them but md dnr said they were ok to eat.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Brendan <brendanlilly@gmail.com> wrote:

odenkirk has a sweet gig and man that's a helluva fish.

is there any info on what kinda toxins/metals are found in the meat of potomac snakehead?

i have never eaten a fish out of the tidal potomac, really anywhere below smokehole, but from rich's posts and others, kinda tempted to try them out... very least, a good conversation piece to bring one to a bbq.

just curious, because given the health of the bass and catfish, you couldn't pay me to eat one from here.

thanks,

b

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:51:18 AM UTC-4, FlyTimesDC wrote:
"Lightning perch"....I like it.

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:25:53 AM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:

Saw this on the homepage this morning:

http://news.yahoo.com/tough-yes-snakeheads-may-not-ecological-scourge-050916516.html

R

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Snakehead fishing on the Yahoo homepage

I agree with Rob. I have been told the same thing.

That being said, I wouldn't eat them more than a few times a month, at max. A lot of places there are advisement placards placed saying that you can only consume so much of the fish each month.

The snakehead I ate tasted good, but it did kind of make me nervous because it came out of the Potomac.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Striper help before I move!

I had good luck at fletchers with a purple and blue over white half-and-half dragged deep, like you were describing, during the shad run. Though the action has certainly slowed, there are some holdovers of both shad and herring along with stripers.

On Friday, May 31, 2013 12:51:12 PM UTC-4, Eric Y. wrote:

I have found at GP, with a sinking line, that a popsicle fly works just fine. White/chart, white/green, white/orange, white/red have all worked equally well it seems, but white/pink has been best for me. RSW has a youtube video on how to tie them - only takes about a minute and a half and I use a lot of scrap material for them. I add some flash, or a peacock herl here and there, but not consistently and not with significantly better results.

On Friday, May 31, 2013 12:44:54 PM UTC-4, Coop wrote:
Consider the warning heeded. I've been following the thread and will be wary to even dip my toes in. Thanks for the advice!

Cooper

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Eric Y. <theeri...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have caught a lot of schoolies (not big, but will still put a good bend on a 6wt) fishing the GP outflow. Wait a couple hours after high tide when the water starts flowing out of the duck pond, if this coincides with dusk/dawn, even better. I basically stand right up next to the wall of the bridge, and use a cross-body roll cast or off-hand roll cast and try to hit right by the shore on the opposite side. I feed out a bit of line as it swings through the current, and then strip in. Little guys (<20") to be sure, but you have a much better chance for them doing that than using streamers on seams out by Fletcher's. That has been my experience at least.

Heed the warnigs of the GP wading ticket thread, though. Not a friendly place to get your ankles wet, at the moment.

On Friday, May 31, 2013 12:10:55 PM UTC-4, Coop wrote:

Hi everyone,

I landed a summer job with California Trout and I'm leaving the DC area in a week. I'm sure I'll be back in the area afterward, but for now my only priority before I leave is to get a striper on the fly. I've gone out a couple times in a kayak at Fletcher's and yesterday afternoon at GP--so far, no luck. Am I cursed or is that normal?

I would love any advice, or if you know of any past posts that address this, that would be great, too. I tried to search the forum for the best techniques for targeting stripers but didn't find anything that was comprehensive. I did see the helpful Fishing Calender post (https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tidal-potomac-fly-rodders/striper$20chart/tidal-potomac-fly-rodders/kFveHTHrhso/o0bg8yDo5tsJ) with the googledoc spreadsheet. I added a tab that is a modification of the "How to Fish Em" tab--I hope that wasn't too bold! (Obviously, feel free to delete, modify, or add to it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtabysjnVlTkdEs1NUktXzhiTktWWnFIY29lZTJEOEE&hl=en#gid=4)

I have a 6 wt, 200 grain streamer express sinking line. I've been using mostly size 2 and 4 clousers. At Fletcher's, I've been parking on a seem (steering clear of other anglers), unloading as much line as I can in the cast, then stripping almost all the rest out to allow the fly to sink, then pulling it all in and repeating. Does that sound right?

Are there places besides Fletcher's and GP that I should try? When is the best time to hit them w respect to tides and time of day?

Maybe I simply need to log some more time on the river--that's a perfectly acceptable answer, too. If anyone wants to go out sometime in the next week, I would welcome company.

Thanks,

Cooper

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Snakehead fishing on the Yahoo homepage

From the snakehead tourney last year I was told the grow so fast that they don't harbor toxins in their flesh like cats and bass. Maybe data has changed since them but md dnr said they were ok to eat.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Brendan <brendanlilly@gmail.com> wrote:

odenkirk has a sweet gig and man that's a helluva fish.

is there any info on what kinda toxins/metals are found in the meat of potomac snakehead?

i have never eaten a fish out of the tidal potomac, really anywhere below smokehole, but from rich's posts and others, kinda tempted to try them out... very least, a good conversation piece to bring one to a bbq.

just curious, because given the health of the bass and catfish, you couldn't pay me to eat one from here.

thanks,

b

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:51:18 AM UTC-4, FlyTimesDC wrote:
"Lightning perch"....I like it.

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:25:53 AM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:
Saw this on the homepage this morning:

http://news.yahoo.com/tough-yes-snakeheads-may-not-ecological-scourge-050916516.html

R

Richard Farino
Urban Angler VA | 108 N. Washington Street 2nd Floor | Alexandria, VA 22314
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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Snakehead fishing on the Yahoo homepage

odenkirk has a sweet gig and man that's a helluva fish.

is there any info on what kinda toxins/metals are found in the meat of potomac snakehead?

i have never eaten a fish out of the tidal potomac, really anywhere below smokehole, but from rich's posts and others, kinda tempted to try them out... very least, a good conversation piece to bring one to a bbq.

just curious, because given the health of the bass and catfish, you couldn't pay me to eat one from here.

thanks,

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:51:18 AM UTC-4, FlyTimesDC wrote:

"Lightning perch"....I like it.

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:25:53 AM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:
Saw this on the homepage this morning:

http://news.yahoo.com/tough-yes-snakeheads-may-not-ecological-scourge-050916516.html

R

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Rappahannock River Fishing Trip 05-31-13

Beautiful fish man! Great catch!

Gene

On Friday, May 31, 2013 2:56:09 PM UTC-4, HeaveToo wrote:

I spent five hours on the Rappahannock River this morning. I started at 7 and launched from Motts Run. I paddled a few miles up stream (exhausting work). The fishing started off really slow. I tried various flies. I caught the first fish on a Shenk's White Streamer in size 4. It was a small bluegill. I did get a nice hit earlier in the morning on a Shannon's Streamer but I didn't get a hook set. Finally, about 10:30 the bite turned on. I caught several nice smallmouth bass that fought hard. The best fish was photographed and I will attach a photo.

Streamers: Shenk's White in size 4:   1 bluegill
                  Shannon's Streamer in 2 ot: 1 Large hit
                  Crayfish Pattern in Size 4: No hits

Top Water: Yellow Popper size 4: Several nice smallmouth and a few nice bluegill.

The fish were tending to hold in the current in the main part of the pool or the tail end of the pool. I didn't get a single hit at the head of any of the pools that I fished. These fish didn't seem to mind the sun as most of the fish were caught in the main areas of the river not in the shade. These fish were definitely looking for current.

The water temp is in the upper 70s. It is running clear and at a perfect level.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Rappahannock River Fishing Trip 05-31-13

I spent five hours on the Rappahannock River this morning. I started at 7 and launched from Motts Run. I paddled a few miles up stream (exhausting work). The fishing started off really slow. I tried various flies. I caught the first fish on a Shenk's White Streamer in size 4. It was a small bluegill. I did get a nice hit earlier in the morning on a Shannon's Streamer but I didn't get a hook set. Finally, about 10:30 the bite turned on. I caught several nice smallmouth bass that fought hard. The best fish was photographed and I will attach a photo.

Streamers: Shenk's White in size 4:   1 bluegill
                  Shannon's Streamer in 2 ot: 1 Large hit
                  Crayfish Pattern in Size 4: No hits

Top Water: Yellow Popper size 4: Several nice smallmouth and a few nice bluegill.

The fish were tending to hold in the current in the main part of the pool or the tail end of the pool. I didn't get a single hit at the head of any of the pools that I fished. These fish didn't seem to mind the sun as most of the fish were caught in the main areas of the river not in the shade. These fish were definitely looking for current.

The water temp is in the upper 70s. It is running clear and at a perfect level.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Striper help before I move!

I have found at GP, with a sinking line, that a popsicle fly works just fine. White/chart, white/green, white/orange, white/red have all worked equally well it seems, but white/pink has been best for me. RSW has a youtube video on how to tie them - only takes about a minute and a half and I use a lot of scrap material for them. I add some flash, or a peacock herl here and there, but not consistently and not with significantly better results.

On Friday, May 31, 2013 12:44:54 PM UTC-4, Coop wrote:

Consider the warning heeded. I've been following the thread and will be wary to even dip my toes in. Thanks for the advice!

Cooper

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Eric Y. <theeri...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have caught a lot of schoolies (not big, but will still put a good bend on a 6wt) fishing the GP outflow. Wait a couple hours after high tide when the water starts flowing out of the duck pond, if this coincides with dusk/dawn, even better. I basically stand right up next to the wall of the bridge, and use a cross-body roll cast or off-hand roll cast and try to hit right by the shore on the opposite side. I feed out a bit of line as it swings through the current, and then strip in. Little guys (<20") to be sure, but you have a much better chance for them doing that than using streamers on seams out by Fletcher's. That has been my experience at least.

Heed the warnigs of the GP wading ticket thread, though. Not a friendly place to get your ankles wet, at the moment.

On Friday, May 31, 2013 12:10:55 PM UTC-4, Coop wrote:

Hi everyone,

I landed a summer job with California Trout and I'm leaving the DC area in a week. I'm sure I'll be back in the area afterward, but for now my only priority before I leave is to get a striper on the fly. I've gone out a couple times in a kayak at Fletcher's and yesterday afternoon at GP--so far, no luck. Am I cursed or is that normal?

I would love any advice, or if you know of any past posts that address this, that would be great, too. I tried to search the forum for the best techniques for targeting stripers but didn't find anything that was comprehensive. I did see the helpful Fishing Calender post (https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tidal-potomac-fly-rodders/striper$20chart/tidal-potomac-fly-rodders/kFveHTHrhso/o0bg8yDo5tsJ) with the googledoc spreadsheet. I added a tab that is a modification of the "How to Fish Em" tab--I hope that wasn't too bold! (Obviously, feel free to delete, modify, or add to it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtabysjnVlTkdEs1NUktXzhiTktWWnFIY29lZTJEOEE&hl=en#gid=4)

I have a 6 wt, 200 grain streamer express sinking line. I've been using mostly size 2 and 4 clousers. At Fletcher's, I've been parking on a seem (steering clear of other anglers), unloading as much line as I can in the cast, then stripping almost all the rest out to allow the fly to sink, then pulling it all in and repeating. Does that sound right?

Are there places besides Fletcher's and GP that I should try? When is the best time to hit them w respect to tides and time of day?

Maybe I simply need to log some more time on the river--that's a perfectly acceptable answer, too. If anyone wants to go out sometime in the next week, I would welcome company.

Thanks,

Cooper

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Striper help before I move!

I haven't been up there lately, but last year around this time I did well on some schoolies up towards big and little eddy from shore. They're little guys up there, but they're stripers. Just find a point to cast from where you can get your #2 and 4 clousers out into the current and swing/strip 'em through the seam. I found it best to cast upstream at varying angles to get the fly down deep and figure out where they're holding. It is a bit late so I'm not sure they're still around -- maybe someone here has been out there recently and can comment.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Striper help before I move!

Consider the warning heeded. I've been following the thread and will be wary to even dip my toes in. Thanks for the advice!

Cooper

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Eric Y. <theericyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

I have caught a lot of schoolies (not big, but will still put a good bend on a 6wt) fishing the GP outflow. Wait a couple hours after high tide when the water starts flowing out of the duck pond, if this coincides with dusk/dawn, even better. I basically stand right up next to the wall of the bridge, and use a cross-body roll cast or off-hand roll cast and try to hit right by the shore on the opposite side. I feed out a bit of line as it swings through the current, and then strip in. Little guys (<20") to be sure, but you have a much better chance for them doing that than using streamers on seams out by Fletcher's. That has been my experience at least.

Heed the warnigs of the GP wading ticket thread, though. Not a friendly place to get your ankles wet, at the moment.

On Friday, May 31, 2013 12:10:55 PM UTC-4, Coop wrote:

Hi everyone,

I landed a summer job with California Trout and I'm leaving the DC area in a week. I'm sure I'll be back in the area afterward, but for now my only priority before I leave is to get a striper on the fly. I've gone out a couple times in a kayak at Fletcher's and yesterday afternoon at GP--so far, no luck. Am I cursed or is that normal?

I would love any advice, or if you know of any past posts that address this, that would be great, too. I tried to search the forum for the best techniques for targeting stripers but didn't find anything that was comprehensive. I did see the helpful Fishing Calender post (https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tidal-potomac-fly-rodders/striper$20chart/tidal-potomac-fly-rodders/kFveHTHrhso/o0bg8yDo5tsJ) with the googledoc spreadsheet. I added a tab that is a modification of the "How to Fish Em" tab--I hope that wasn't too bold! (Obviously, feel free to delete, modify, or add to it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtabysjnVlTkdEs1NUktXzhiTktWWnFIY29lZTJEOEE&hl=en#gid=4)

I have a 6 wt, 200 grain streamer express sinking line. I've been using mostly size 2 and 4 clousers. At Fletcher's, I've been parking on a seem (steering clear of other anglers), unloading as much line as I can in the cast, then stripping almost all the rest out to allow the fly to sink, then pulling it all in and repeating. Does that sound right?

Are there places besides Fletcher's and GP that I should try? When is the best time to hit them w respect to tides and time of day?

Maybe I simply need to log some more time on the river--that's a perfectly acceptable answer, too. If anyone wants to go out sometime in the next week, I would welcome company.

Thanks,

Cooper

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Striper help before I move!

I have caught a lot of schoolies (not big, but will still put a good bend on a 6wt) fishing the GP outflow. Wait a couple hours after high tide when the water starts flowing out of the duck pond, if this coincides with dusk/dawn, even better. I basically stand right up next to the wall of the bridge, and use a cross-body roll cast or off-hand roll cast and try to hit right by the shore on the opposite side. I feed out a bit of line as it swings through the current, and then strip in. Little guys (<20") to be sure, but you have a much better chance for them doing that than using streamers on seams out by Fletcher's. That has been my experience at least.

Heed the warnigs of the GP wading ticket thread, though. Not a friendly place to get your ankles wet, at the moment.

On Friday, May 31, 2013 12:10:55 PM UTC-4, Coop wrote:

Hi everyone,

I landed a summer job with California Trout and I'm leaving the DC area in a week. I'm sure I'll be back in the area afterward, but for now my only priority before I leave is to get a striper on the fly. I've gone out a couple times in a kayak at Fletcher's and yesterday afternoon at GP--so far, no luck. Am I cursed or is that normal?

I would love any advice, or if you know of any past posts that address this, that would be great, too. I tried to search the forum for the best techniques for targeting stripers but didn't find anything that was comprehensive. I did see the helpful Fishing Calender post (https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tidal-potomac-fly-rodders/striper$20chart/tidal-potomac-fly-rodders/kFveHTHrhso/o0bg8yDo5tsJ) with the googledoc spreadsheet. I added a tab that is a modification of the "How to Fish Em" tab--I hope that wasn't too bold! (Obviously, feel free to delete, modify, or add to it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtabysjnVlTkdEs1NUktXzhiTktWWnFIY29lZTJEOEE&hl=en#gid=4)

I have a 6 wt, 200 grain streamer express sinking line. I've been using mostly size 2 and 4 clousers. At Fletcher's, I've been parking on a seem (steering clear of other anglers), unloading as much line as I can in the cast, then stripping almost all the rest out to allow the fly to sink, then pulling it all in and repeating. Does that sound right?

Are there places besides Fletcher's and GP that I should try? When is the best time to hit them w respect to tides and time of day?

Maybe I simply need to log some more time on the river--that's a perfectly acceptable answer, too. If anyone wants to go out sometime in the next week, I would welcome company.

Thanks,

Cooper

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Illegal to wade Gravelly Point

Okay, so we have stuf fall over the place here -- to avoid confusion I'd just ask everyone:

1. What can I/we do to help?

2 Can we please discuss this at the next beer tie? If this isn't important, I don't know what is.

Thanks to everyone (e.g. Rich, Steve, etc.) for taking the time to provide information on this.

Gene

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:08:55 AM UTC-4, FlyTimesDC wrote:

So last night I was fishing the outgoing tide at gravelly point around 2:30 am when a park officer called me out of the water saying the park closed at 12 (I've never heard of the inlet our outflow ever being closed but left without resistance). He then asked to see my license, which I promptly gave him, and we went back to his car. I'm pretty sure he was looking for any excuse to ticket me, because he then sat in his car for about 10 minutes reading up on ordinances and rules. When he returned, he gave me back my licenses and a $130 fine for "Entering the Potomac". Umm, what? I have a court date in June and plan on fighting this. There are no signs or anything else to indicate that A) wading is illegal in the inlet and B) that the inlet is closed at 12am. Curious to hear y'all's thoughts. I've heard of people being hassled by airport police at Gravelly but this is a tad ridiculous.

Thanks,
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Illegal to wade Gravelly Point

Rich,
Great idea involving DU. As a duck/goose hunter I know people with blinds in those areas. I also happen to know (very well, goose blind syndicate partner) the Fed affairs lead for DU. I will send you his email address and an intro.

Steve

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:14:26 PM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:

So I just got off the phone with Sergeant Locasio, who coincidentally issued Remick's citation.

His interpretation of the regulations as explained to me:
· You may not enter the Potomac anywhere along NPS property. That includes the entire GWMP all the way down to Mt. Vernon, Fort Washington, Great Falls, and the entire C&O Canal. That includes the entire 187.4 mile stretch of the C&O Canal from Georgetown to Cumberland, MD. This also includes the entire GW Memorial Parkway, Harper's Ferry, and any other national park property that provides access to our nation's navigable river.

I've made a few phone calls and hope to have more info later tomorrow. We've gotten Ducks Unlimited involved, and am waiting to hear from the NPS chief as well as a few lobbyists and Capitol Hill guys.

I'll update everyone when we hear more and can move on things.

Weird.

R

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Agreed. The rules need clarification and hopefully we can implement some positive change that everyone can enjoy. As for the 2;30am...when you gotta go, you gotta go, right?

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:11:35 PM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
If using the park after-hours is the issue, the ticket should not be for "entering the Potomac" or related to wading -- that's what I'm concerned with.

I get your point about being there at weird hours, but the law needs to be addressed so it's clear that it's either "okay" or "not cool" to wade at these locations everyone here uses.

Gene

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:56:50 PM UTC-4, Jeff Cook wrote:
But guys, 2:30am off the end of National Airport at National Park Service land that is posted to close at 10pm? Haven't they been looking the other way for the four years of increasing wade activity coming from this group? Clearly it was the hour that forced the flare up.

Of course it revealed a wading law we now all have a chance to change. But when it does, they'll still give people tickets at 230am.

Just sayin.

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On May 30, 2013, at 1:08 PM, HeaveToo <cpd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This whole thing is bad. There is also the letter of the law and the "Spirit" of the law. Clearly the "Spirit" of the law would exclude people engaged in recreational fishing. The Officer should have used some good old fashioned discretion and warned the poor guy who got the ticket.

This kind of reminds me of the mess going on in the Jackson River. http://www.potomacriverkeeper.org/updates/public-use-virginia%E2%80%99s-public-waterways-threatened

Public outcry could be the one thing that fixes this. It is something that needs to be looked into because those federal lands are for the public's use. We own this land as it is federal public land.
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RE: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} first lightning perch

To further complicate people’s decision to kill or release snakehead

From John Odenkirk – “Hi Richard. Yeah...I had best intentions of making the show. Sorry to have missed you and it. The snake issue is very simple in VA. We cannot force anyone to kill anything. Law states that snakes may not be in possession unless legally caught, dead and reported. That's where we get you. You have to kill it to possess it. You are free to release alive if you wish.”

I asked Maryland DNR and I got this e-mail:

“Hello Richard, if you catch a snakehead and immediately release it where it was caught, you are not in violation. If you place it in an ice chest or any other container on the boat or the boat itself you have now rendered that fish into your possession. If it is in your possession you must kill it by severing the fish’s head. The definition of possession is a key point. This definition helps define catch and release for other fish such as catching and releasing largemouth bass or striped bass, hickory shad, etc during a closed season. I hope this helps; if you are still confused I can direct you to our legal and regulation group.

Keith Lockwood

Recreational Fisheries Outreach”

Based on that interpretation, if you were in MD at the time, putting the snakehead on the deck of your kayak would in fact be possession and you would have been required to kill it.

DC regulations require you kill the snakehead - “If you catch a northern snakehead DO NOT RETURN IT TO THE WATER. Snakeheads should be immediately killed by removing the head, removing all vital organs, or removing both gill arches.”

http://ddoe.dc.gov/service/fishing-district

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Awesome! I'm really itching to get one at this point.

What does everyone do with the snakeheads they catch? I know you aren't required to kill them (as long as you immediately release them), but it seems like many do. How do you store them while fishing when you plan to bring them home and cook them up?

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Howard A <howard_abramowitz@yahoo.com> wrote:

I got my first snakehead last night, (I do like the lightning perch moniker better). I took my sup out to roaches run about 730 and fished the lily pads. He crushed an olive sculpin minnow before I could start my retrieve and jumped completely out of the water twice before getting him on the board.

Howard

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