Tuesday, June 30, 2020

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: CPR Tournament?

Forgot to mention largest fish wins. Tie breaker will be your second largest fish. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} CPR Tournament?

Anyone interested in doing a Bass CPR Tournament for the month of July on the board? 
Prize would be bragging rights and maybe I can doctor up a trophy. 
Rules would be simple since no money is involved. 
Any species of bass. Scoring will be based on true length with no modifiers  
Time frame would be from 07/01/2020 00:00 until 07/31/2020 00:00.
Needs to be caught on fly rod in DC, Maryland, or Virginia.
On this topic, post a photo of your catch with a measuring rule next to it for reference. 
In the post state the size measured,

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Sling packs

Touché, Carl!

On Monday, June 29, 2020 at 10:15:46 PM UTC-4, Carl wrote:


On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:09 PM namfos <> wrote:
Thanks for putting that up, Bruce. Like many, I've been at this long enough that every time out, esp wading, I try to carry as little as possible. Even then when all is said and done I have to ask myself, "why on earth did you take THAT with you?" 
This is clearly from not fishing enough.  The more you fish a specific water, the more you know what to leave behind.  

If you fish enough, all you need is a hat with a few flies and a spool of tippet.  Right?

The last time I was out, I had a chest box and a sling pack.... and some stuff in my shirt pocket. 

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Monday, June 29, 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Sling packs



On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:09 PM namfos <mark.sofman@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for putting that up, Bruce. Like many, I've been at this long enough that every time out, esp wading, I try to carry as little as possible. Even then when all is said and done I have to ask myself, "why on earth did you take THAT with you?" 
This is clearly from not fishing enough.  The more you fish a specific water, the more you know what to leave behind.  

If you fish enough, all you need is a hat with a few flies and a spool of tippet.  Right?

The last time I was out, I had a chest box and a sling pack.... and some stuff in my shirt pocket. 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Ticks - some useful information

IDing ticks and tick-borne disease:

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

@Andrew S, The day I was there I did see quite a few damsel and dragonflies on the canal side foliage. Next time I'll bring some nymphs that are dragonfly/damsel nymphish. Thanks for the tip.


Daniel


On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:32 AM Andrew Sarcinello <andysarce@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW, the carp I caught in the canal ate a green drake nymph. Not because there are green drakes in the canal, but because it probably looked very similar to a dragonfly or damsel nymph.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

@ Jeffery,
Heck, I like mulberries too. I try to fish Holmes Run when mulberries are ripening. There's a couple of the bushes/trees over the paved path near the dam.

As for the Canal, I'll have to pay more attention to the far side bushed/trees to locate possible mulberry fishing locations.

Daniel


On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:48 AM Jeffrey Silvan <jeffreysilvan@gmail.com> wrote:
For the mulberries, they're super fun since you're catching carp on topwater, but you're extremely unlikely to catch carp on them unless you're fishing under a mulberry tree that's dropping berries. 

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 8:47 AM Daniel Lazenby <dlazenby4@gmail.com> wrote:
Tperkins,
A couple of flies I got from District Angling. I had asked for carp flies. Not sure what they are. 

I've heard of Mulberries. Have a couple recipes for them. Trying to get my hands on some mulberry looking stuff. 

Thanks for the other suggestions. I'll look them up.  Also came across a Clouser`s Swimming Nymph  - Carp version receipe that looks interesting. 

Daniel

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On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 7:54 AM tperkins <thomas.perkins1@gmail.com> wrote:
What fly were you using?

My favorite for the canal
Mulberry (but only under a tree actively dropping berries)
Hybrid carp fly
Puke fly (https://www.instagram.com/p/B_EGZfCDMgp/?igshid=1evsibl6pex6s)
Weighted San Juan worm with long tails

It take a while to learn but it's great fun.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Sling packs

Thanks for putting that up, Bruce. Like many, I've been at this long enough that every time out, esp wading, I try to carry as little as possible. Even then when all is said and done I have to ask myself, "why on earth did you take THAT with you?" 

Mark


On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 8:25:16 PM UTC-4, BruceC2C wrote:
Somewhat slingPak related.

Hope this link carries....
T Rosenbauer has many great qualities.
Minimalism is DEF not one of them.

https://m.facebook.com/thenewflyfisher/videos/170087617602514/

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

FWIW, the carp I caught in the canal ate a green drake nymph. Not because there are green drakes in the canal, but because it probably looked very similar to a dragonfly or damsel nymph.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

For the mulberries, they're super fun since you're catching carp on topwater, but you're extremely unlikely to catch carp on them unless you're fishing under a mulberry tree that's dropping berries. 

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 8:47 AM Daniel Lazenby <dlazenby4@gmail.com> wrote:
Tperkins,
A couple of flies I got from District Angling. I had asked for carp flies. Not sure what they are. 

I've heard of Mulberries. Have a couple recipes for them. Trying to get my hands on some mulberry looking stuff. 

Thanks for the other suggestions. I'll look them up.  Also came across a Clouser`s Swimming Nymph  - Carp version receipe that looks interesting. 

Daniel

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On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 7:54 AM tperkins <thomas.perkins1@gmail.com> wrote:
What fly were you using?

My favorite for the canal
Mulberry (but only under a tree actively dropping berries)
Hybrid carp fly
Puke fly (https://www.instagram.com/p/B_EGZfCDMgp/?igshid=1evsibl6pex6s)
Weighted San Juan worm with long tails

It take a while to learn but it's great fun.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Casting Practice/Lessons

I am happy to run casting lesions, but not in the format of a casting church.  Probably limited to 5 people so we can appropriately distance.

If you are interested, let me know.  As far as a schedule,I am thinking of Monday or Tuesday evening at 7:30pm (or possibly a weekend morning)  at the Glen Echo Park parking lot.  

Contact me directly if you are interested and what you want to work on. 


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Sunday, June 28, 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Sling packs

Somewhat slingPak related.

Hope this link carries....
T Rosenbauer has many great qualities.
Minimalism is DEF not one of them.

https://m.facebook.com/thenewflyfisher/videos/170087617602514/

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Saturday, June 27, 2020

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Friday, June 26, 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Sling packs

Thanks, Rich!



On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 5:24:05 PM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:

Sorry it's taken so long to chime in.  Been awful busy here.


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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Sling packs

Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about, Owen. 😜 I have a couple of fast drying fanny packs myself.

Mark


On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 7:56:37 AM UTC-4, Owen Williams wrote:
Just wanted to jump in ... but it does dry quickly (ask me how I know). 


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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

Tperkins,
A couple of flies I got from District Angling. I had asked for carp flies. Not sure what they are. 

I've heard of Mulberries. Have a couple recipes for them. Trying to get my hands on some mulberry looking stuff. 

Thanks for the other suggestions. I'll look them up.  Also came across a Clouser`s Swimming Nymph  - Carp version receipe that looks interesting. 

Daniel

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On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 7:54 AM tperkins <thomas.perkins1@gmail.com> wrote:
What fly were you using?

My favorite for the canal
Mulberry (but only under a tree actively dropping berries)
Hybrid carp fly
Puke fly (https://www.instagram.com/p/B_EGZfCDMgp/?igshid=1evsibl6pex6s)
Weighted San Juan worm with long tails

It take a while to learn but it's great fun.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Sling packs

Just wanted to jump in to say that I really like my Simms Freestone Ambi Tactical Sling that I picked up at District Angling (specs are here: https://www.simmsfishing.com/freestone-ambi-tactical-sling-s19). 

It converts to either shoulder and is extremely lightweight, but more importantly, it makes me think about what I need to carry for that day. Not waterproof, but it does dry quickly (ask me how I know). 

Best, 
Owen


On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 5:24:05 PM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:

Sorry it's taken so long to chime in.  Been awful busy here.

 

Sling bags have pluses and minuses, and you guys rely on us to help you figure them out.  Here are a couple of things to consider:

 

  • The majority of the freshwater fly fishermen in the United States are right handed.  When changing your flies, right-handed caters usually tuck the rod up under the right armpit, holding it in place.
  • Right-handed people tend to grab bags and packs with their right hand, with the most comfortable position for duffel and messenger bags be to lift with your right hand and go over your head and hanging the strap across your chest, resting on your left shoulder.
  • As a right hander, in order for you to slide a sling bag around from your back and into the front of your chest, the shoulder strap needs to be over and across your right shoulder so it doesn't interfere and bump your rod out from under your armpit.

 

Many sling bags nowadays are made to be used on either shoulder with a slight modification in where the strap attaches to the lower part of the bag, and even have a place for you to slide a net into them, like some of the bags we sell from Fishpond like the Flathead Sling and the Delta Sling.

 

Some sling bags are made to be only worn over your right shoulder only and are not adjustable to either side, like the waterproof Fishpond Thunderhead Sling and Umpqua ZeroSweep 2 Sling.

 

The thing with these packs is they let you comfortably carry a lot of gear high up out of the water.  For short guys like me, a godsend.  For tall guys like Dan Lazenby, not essential.  But what they're especially good at is carrying a lot of stuff and fair warning – because you CAN carry a ton of gear, your probably will try.

 

I using one of the Fishpond Delta sling packs because I'm usually teaching or helping and I need to carry extra gear, and a bottle of water.  With the water bottle (usually a stainless Yeti Rambler) my pack weighs 15lbs.  Not ideal when trying to be a minimalist.

 

Hope that helps.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

R

 

 

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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Sling packs

 

I have the older orvis sling pack (same as scott) and have similar complaints due to size. But I am also aware that no matter what size pack i use, I will fill it completely. I do wish it had a integrated net holder like some of the new packs and a water bottle holder. 

 

But overall i like it, I do use a backpack when i am on the beach, since I carrier a bigger fly box that wont fit in the sling pack, and I have to take that off to change flies etc which is annoying. 

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 11:00:00 AM UTC-4, Jamie Carracher wrote:

I have this Orvis sling pack. I had a gift card, so I really didn't shop around for other brands. But on the whole I like it a lot. I was using an old backpack before, which worked but had a lot of issues. 

 

It slings over your right shoulder. I cast left-handed, and it works pretty well. I've never had an issue with the placement of the pack. I'm a little lazy and don't often use the second strap across my chest, but when using it the whole thing is really stable, which is nice when scaling hills around streams and other obstacles. The only real downsides I have are that the water bottle holder is pretty small and the pack itself doesn't hold a ton. I've done it, but it can be tough to shove layers in there when the day warms up. It's better for a quick outing vs. something more elaborate. I don't really go on multi-day trips but if I did I'd want more storage.

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 10:14:09 AM UTC-4, Daniel Lazenby wrote:

Mark,

For my response, my right shoulder is my normal casting shoulder.


Daniel

 

 

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:30 AM namfos <mark....@gmail.com> wrote:

Clarification: my question about which shoulder ought to have been, "Over your casting shoulder or not?"



On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 5:53:35 PM UTC-4, namfos wrote:

Over left shoulder or right shoulder? Why?

 

 

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Thursday, June 25, 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

So you don't play Carp Dundee and slide on in to wrestle them in ...

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

I have a similar net. It folds up so it has a decent size bag but easily fits in my car or on my bike. I also find spots where I can slide down the bank to get closer to the water to land the carp. Doesn't always work.

Bikes are a great way to explore a lot of water on the canal to find where the carp are active/water quality is good.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Sling packs

Sorry it's taken so long to chime in.  Been awful busy here.

 

Sling bags have pluses and minuses, and you guys rely on us to help you figure them out.  Here are a couple of things to consider:

 

  • The majority of the freshwater fly fishermen in the United States are right handed.  When changing your flies, right-handed caters usually tuck the rod up under the right armpit, holding it in place.
  • Right-handed people tend to grab bags and packs with their right hand, with the most comfortable position for duffel and messenger bags be to lift with your right hand and go over your head and hanging the strap across your chest, resting on your left shoulder.
  • As a right hander, in order for you to slide a sling bag around from your back and into the front of your chest, the shoulder strap needs to be over and across your right shoulder so it doesn't interfere and bump your rod out from under your armpit.

 

Many sling bags nowadays are made to be used on either shoulder with a slight modification in where the strap attaches to the lower part of the bag, and even have a place for you to slide a net into them, like some of the bags we sell from Fishpond like the Flathead Sling and the Delta Sling.

 

Some sling bags are made to be only worn over your right shoulder only and are not adjustable to either side, like the waterproof Fishpond Thunderhead Sling and Umpqua ZeroSweep 2 Sling.

 

The thing with these packs is they let you comfortably carry a lot of gear high up out of the water.  For short guys like me, a godsend.  For tall guys like Dan Lazenby, not essential.  But what they're especially good at is carrying a lot of stuff and fair warning – because you CAN carry a ton of gear, your probably will try.

 

I using one of the Fishpond Delta sling packs because I'm usually teaching or helping and I need to carry extra gear, and a bottle of water.  With the water bottle (usually a stainless Yeti Rambler) my pack weighs 15lbs.  Not ideal when trying to be a minimalist.

 

Hope that helps.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

R

 

 

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Date: Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:13 PM
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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Sling packs

 

I have the older orvis sling pack (same as scott) and have similar complaints due to size. But I am also aware that no matter what size pack i use, I will fill it completely. I do wish it had a integrated net holder like some of the new packs and a water bottle holder. 

 

But overall i like it, I do use a backpack when i am on the beach, since I carrier a bigger fly box that wont fit in the sling pack, and I have to take that off to change flies etc which is annoying. 

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 11:00:00 AM UTC-4, Jamie Carracher wrote:

I have this Orvis sling pack. I had a gift card, so I really didn't shop around for other brands. But on the whole I like it a lot. I was using an old backpack before, which worked but had a lot of issues. 

 

It slings over your right shoulder. I cast left-handed, and it works pretty well. I've never had an issue with the placement of the pack. I'm a little lazy and don't often use the second strap across my chest, but when using it the whole thing is really stable, which is nice when scaling hills around streams and other obstacles. The only real downsides I have are that the water bottle holder is pretty small and the pack itself doesn't hold a ton. I've done it, but it can be tough to shove layers in there when the day warms up. It's better for a quick outing vs. something more elaborate. I don't really go on multi-day trips but if I did I'd want more storage.

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 10:14:09 AM UTC-4, Daniel Lazenby wrote:

Mark,

For my response, my right shoulder is my normal casting shoulder.


Daniel

 

 

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:30 AM namfos <mark....@gmail.com> wrote:

Clarification: my question about which shoulder ought to have been, "Over your casting shoulder or not?"



On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 5:53:35 PM UTC-4, namfos wrote:

Over left shoulder or right shoulder? Why?

 

 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

I have a giant net with like a 4'+ telescoping handle.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 4:05 PM JB Rolter <jbrolter@gmail.com> wrote:
Wanted to try carp in the canal, but with the steep banks how do you deal with one once you get it close?

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

Wanted to try carp in the canal, but with the steep banks how do you deal with one once you get it close?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Upper Rose River

Hey!  
Thanks for this thread--Looking to hit the Rose for the first time this next weekend.  We are looking to camp the night--were looking at dropping off the far end of the Rose River Loop and set up close to the river.  Having never been there, I can't picture the elevation.  Ideas?  Worth it?  not?  TIA

On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 3:46:43 PM UTC-5 caca...@gmail.com wrote:
I found that you should go up the fire trail about 1/2 to 3/4 a mile then walk to the river and hike up.  it gets braided and skinny quick and i rarely see an brookies below this areas.   there is a trail off the fire rd that takes you down to the river.  when you see it you know its time to walk down....if your point is to see the rose then great,  but there are better sections of brookie streams not to far from there that i now go to instead of the rose.    send me an email if you are looking for an alternative near by


On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 9:12:36 PM UTC-5, Lukas D wrote:
I'm planning on hitting up the upper section of the rose river when it gets warm in the near future for some Brookies. Any advice on which trails to take down and what the best way to access a good stretch of the river is?

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

What fly were you using?

My favorite for the canal
Mulberry (but only under a tree actively dropping berries)
Hybrid carp fly
Puke fly (https://www.instagram.com/p/B_EGZfCDMgp/?igshid=1evsibl6pex6s)
Weighted San Juan worm with long tails

It take a while to learn but it's great fun.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

Got it thanks.

Daniel


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 3:12 PM Josh Cohn <joshccohn404@gmail.com> wrote:
Get this book: Orvis Guide to Fly Fishing for Carp: Tips and Tricks for the Determined Angler Kirk Deeter & read all of John Montana's Carp on the Fly blog..

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:56:03 AM UTC-4, Daniel Lazenby wrote:
I received an offer to go Carp fishing. Not wanting to show up dumb as a rock and having no technique I viewed some Youtube Carp videos about how to fish them. 

Then I spent a couple of afternoons (1 PM-5:30ish PM) walking the canal from Fletcher's down canal for a mile and a half towards DC. Water clarity never seemed to be more than maybe 8 inches visibility. I saw Carp. Really nice size Carp from my perspective. Most of them were greenish, though I did see a couple of orangeish-yellowish ones.

On my first walk, every Carp I saw was suspended (hovering) in position. Hardly moving a fin. Came across a pod(?) of 10 on the far side of the canal hovering under an overhanging bush. Hardly a fin moving. At the end of the day, I did see the most artful slow-motion rise. The 24+ inch fish surfaced with mouth open, closes its mouth, and submerges hardly leaving a dimple in the water.

On my second walk, a majority of the Carp I saw were slowly cruising up or down the canal or playing some form of tag. I did come across one half-submerged in the near side vegetation slowly working its way up canal feeding(?). I tried dropping my fly in the vegetation several inches in front of it. That resulted in the fish going around my fly and my fly snagged in the vegetation. I saw another one slightly nose down but there was no mud being disturbed. I also came across a faint mud trail, but never saw the fish.

So after two 3 mile round trip walks and a couple of handfuls of red cap raspberries, I still haven't a clue how to fish for these beasts with a fly.

Am I there at the wrong time of the day? 
Wrong time of the year?
Not holding my mouth right?

All advice welcomed.  

Daniel

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On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:56:03 AM UTC-4, Daniel Lazenby wrote:
I received an offer to go Carp fishing. Not wanting to show up dumb as a rock and having no technique I viewed some Youtube Carp videos about how to fish them. 

Then I spent a couple of afternoons (1 PM-5:30ish PM) walking the canal from Fletcher's down canal for a mile and a half towards DC. Water clarity never seemed to be more than maybe 8 inches visibility. I saw Carp. Really nice size Carp from my perspective. Most of them were greenish, though I did see a couple of orangeish-yellowish ones.

On my first walk, every Carp I saw was suspended (hovering) in position. Hardly moving a fin. Came across a pod(?) of 10 on the far side of the canal hovering under an overhanging bush. Hardly a fin moving. At the end of the day, I did see the most artful slow-motion rise. The 24+ inch fish surfaced with mouth open, closes its mouth, and submerges hardly leaving a dimple in the water.

On my second walk, a majority of the Carp I saw were slowly cruising up or down the canal or playing some form of tag. I did come across one half-submerged in the near side vegetation slowly working its way up canal feeding(?). I tried dropping my fly in the vegetation several inches in front of it. That resulted in the fish going around my fly and my fly snagged in the vegetation. I saw another one slightly nose down but there was no mud being disturbed. I also came across a faint mud trail, but never saw the fish.

So after two 3 mile round trip walks and a couple of handfuls of red cap raspberries, I still haven't a clue how to fish for these beasts with a fly.

Am I there at the wrong time of the day? 
Wrong time of the year?
Not holding my mouth right?

All advice welcomed.  

Daniel

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=fAY70Sjnh1M&feature=emb_title

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 3:12:30 PM UTC-4, Josh Cohn wrote:
Get this book: Orvis Guide to Fly Fishing for Carp: Tips and Tricks for the Determined Angler Kirk Deeter & read all of John Montana's Carp on the Fly blog..

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:56:03 AM UTC-4, Daniel Lazenby wrote:
I received an offer to go Carp fishing. Not wanting to show up dumb as a rock and having no technique I viewed some Youtube Carp videos about how to fish them. 

Then I spent a couple of afternoons (1 PM-5:30ish PM) walking the canal from Fletcher's down canal for a mile and a half towards DC. Water clarity never seemed to be more than maybe 8 inches visibility. I saw Carp. Really nice size Carp from my perspective. Most of them were greenish, though I did see a couple of orangeish-yellowish ones.

On my first walk, every Carp I saw was suspended (hovering) in position. Hardly moving a fin. Came across a pod(?) of 10 on the far side of the canal hovering under an overhanging bush. Hardly a fin moving. At the end of the day, I did see the most artful slow-motion rise. The 24+ inch fish surfaced with mouth open, closes its mouth, and submerges hardly leaving a dimple in the water.

On my second walk, a majority of the Carp I saw were slowly cruising up or down the canal or playing some form of tag. I did come across one half-submerged in the near side vegetation slowly working its way up canal feeding(?). I tried dropping my fly in the vegetation several inches in front of it. That resulted in the fish going around my fly and my fly snagged in the vegetation. I saw another one slightly nose down but there was no mud being disturbed. I also came across a faint mud trail, but never saw the fish.

So after two 3 mile round trip walks and a couple of handfuls of red cap raspberries, I still haven't a clue how to fish for these beasts with a fly.

Am I there at the wrong time of the day? 
Wrong time of the year?
Not holding my mouth right?

All advice welcomed.  

Daniel

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Get this book: Orvis Guide to Fly Fishing for Carp: Tips and Tricks for the Determined Angler Kirk Deeter & read all of John Montana's Carp on the Fly blog..

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:56:03 AM UTC-4, Daniel Lazenby wrote:
I received an offer to go Carp fishing. Not wanting to show up dumb as a rock and having no technique I viewed some Youtube Carp videos about how to fish them. 

Then I spent a couple of afternoons (1 PM-5:30ish PM) walking the canal from Fletcher's down canal for a mile and a half towards DC. Water clarity never seemed to be more than maybe 8 inches visibility. I saw Carp. Really nice size Carp from my perspective. Most of them were greenish, though I did see a couple of orangeish-yellowish ones.

On my first walk, every Carp I saw was suspended (hovering) in position. Hardly moving a fin. Came across a pod(?) of 10 on the far side of the canal hovering under an overhanging bush. Hardly a fin moving. At the end of the day, I did see the most artful slow-motion rise. The 24+ inch fish surfaced with mouth open, closes its mouth, and submerges hardly leaving a dimple in the water.

On my second walk, a majority of the Carp I saw were slowly cruising up or down the canal or playing some form of tag. I did come across one half-submerged in the near side vegetation slowly working its way up canal feeding(?). I tried dropping my fly in the vegetation several inches in front of it. That resulted in the fish going around my fly and my fly snagged in the vegetation. I saw another one slightly nose down but there was no mud being disturbed. I also came across a faint mud trail, but never saw the fish.

So after two 3 mile round trip walks and a couple of handfuls of red cap raspberries, I still haven't a clue how to fish for these beasts with a fly.

Am I there at the wrong time of the day? 
Wrong time of the year?
Not holding my mouth right?

All advice welcomed.  

Daniel

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

Thinking more, specifically about the bank diggers... whenever possible, try to be out of the line of sight - both you and the rod tip. Not always possible, but if you can your chances go up. Same thing with your shadow - casting a sudden shadow over the fish can spook it too.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:22 PM Daniel Lazenby <dlazenby4@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd been told they are a challenge to catch. But did not realize the degree of the challenge until I started to try.

@ N Elgas,
May I ask approximately what time of the morning you ran? Maybe I'm getting there too late in the day.

@ Jeffery Silvan, & @ Andrew
I think  I may have encountered a "Bank Digger" but my dabbing technique may have put it off. Thank you for the pointers. 
  

Daniel


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:54 PM N Elgas <cacapon14@gmail.com> wrote:
I just ran along the canal this morning,  its packed with carp nose down in the current. I mean packed.  They look like they would eat rock if it fell in front of them right now.  I have always found that carp are about luck and timing,  but maybe that's cause I'm not that good.   They can be very skittish alot of the time. 

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 11:44:58 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:
Carp are super finicky in general, but the canal is even trickier. First, no matter where you are, you're generally very unlikely to catch a carp that isn't feeding or trying to feed. So when you see one in the canal just resting and hanging out under a tree, you can try casting to it, but 99% of the time, it won't care. Cruising fish have a higher likelihood of being a willing player, but still depends on the "way" it is cruising. With a feeding fish, if you're generally matching what it's feeding on, you have a great chance. Flies do matter - you need to match the hatch like trout. Not exactly the same as matching the size and color of a mayfly, but close. In the canal, more often than not, they're going to be feeding on nymphs. 

At this point, I've fished the canal enough, I know which fish are worth casting to and which aren't. You'll start figuring that out once you get an idea of what the successful targets look like. I generally look for two types of fish - "bank diggers" which are fish picking food literally on the bank right next to where you're walking. You basically dab your nymph for those, but you need to be super stealthy. The other is the general feeding fish. The ideal situation is a school of multiple fish feeding together. Your fly becomes a competition then. But more often, you'll only find a single fish. Knowing the water clarity is going to be garbage, I try to focus on the sections that are only a couple feet deep. Approach them like bonefish. When you see those mud trails you mentioned (I call it smoke), I spend time watching it, even if I can't see the fish right then. So just stare. Watch where the new smoke arises and where it's fading out. See if the fish is moving in a general direction or just hovering in the area. Most importantly, watch for a flash of the tail so you know where the head is and which way it's pointed. In these situations, your sight fishing ability will be very limited, but you can have success with a strike indicator. It's still tricky getting the length and location right, but if they're feeding aggressively, they're more likely to move greater distances.

I've caught the carp in the canal in all weather during all seasons. But, I do find that on the super hot days, it will slow a little bit while the sun is overhead. In that case, focus nearby some of the little feeders into the canal, and you might have a little better success, but options are pretty limited.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:56 AM Daniel Lazenby <dlaz...@gmail.com> wrote:
I received an offer to go Carp fishing. Not wanting to show up dumb as a rock and having no technique I viewed some Youtube Carp videos about how to fish them. 

Then I spent a couple of afternoons (1 PM-5:30ish PM) walking the canal from Fletcher's down canal for a mile and a half towards DC. Water clarity never seemed to be more than maybe 8 inches visibility. I saw Carp. Really nice size Carp from my perspective. Most of them were greenish, though I did see a couple of orangeish-yellowish ones.

On my first walk, every Carp I saw was suspended (hovering) in position. Hardly moving a fin. Came across a pod(?) of 10 on the far side of the canal hovering under an overhanging bush. Hardly a fin moving. At the end of the day, I did see the most artful slow-motion rise. The 24+ inch fish surfaced with mouth open, closes its mouth, and submerges hardly leaving a dimple in the water.

On my second walk, a majority of the Carp I saw were slowly cruising up or down the canal or playing some form of tag. I did come across one half-submerged in the near side vegetation slowly working its way up canal feeding(?). I tried dropping my fly in the vegetation several inches in front of it. That resulted in the fish going around my fly and my fly snagged in the vegetation. I saw another one slightly nose down but there was no mud being disturbed. I also came across a faint mud trail, but never saw the fish.

So after two 3 mile round trip walks and a couple of handfuls of red cap raspberries, I still haven't a clue how to fish for these beasts with a fly.

Am I there at the wrong time of the day? 
Wrong time of the year?
Not holding my mouth right?

All advice welcomed.  

Daniel

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Help -- Carp Fishing C&O Canal Advice

I'd been told they are a challenge to catch. But did not realize the degree of the challenge until I started to try.

@ N Elgas,
May I ask approximately what time of the morning you ran? Maybe I'm getting there too late in the day.

@ Jeffery Silvan, & @ Andrew
I think  I may have encountered a "Bank Digger" but my dabbing technique may have put it off. Thank you for the pointers. 
  

Daniel


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:54 PM N Elgas <cacapon14@gmail.com> wrote:
I just ran along the canal this morning,  its packed with carp nose down in the current. I mean packed.  They look like they would eat rock if it fell in front of them right now.  I have always found that carp are about luck and timing,  but maybe that's cause I'm not that good.   They can be very skittish alot of the time. 

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 11:44:58 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:
Carp are super finicky in general, but the canal is even trickier. First, no matter where you are, you're generally very unlikely to catch a carp that isn't feeding or trying to feed. So when you see one in the canal just resting and hanging out under a tree, you can try casting to it, but 99% of the time, it won't care. Cruising fish have a higher likelihood of being a willing player, but still depends on the "way" it is cruising. With a feeding fish, if you're generally matching what it's feeding on, you have a great chance. Flies do matter - you need to match the hatch like trout. Not exactly the same as matching the size and color of a mayfly, but close. In the canal, more often than not, they're going to be feeding on nymphs. 

At this point, I've fished the canal enough, I know which fish are worth casting to and which aren't. You'll start figuring that out once you get an idea of what the successful targets look like. I generally look for two types of fish - "bank diggers" which are fish picking food literally on the bank right next to where you're walking. You basically dab your nymph for those, but you need to be super stealthy. The other is the general feeding fish. The ideal situation is a school of multiple fish feeding together. Your fly becomes a competition then. But more often, you'll only find a single fish. Knowing the water clarity is going to be garbage, I try to focus on the sections that are only a couple feet deep. Approach them like bonefish. When you see those mud trails you mentioned (I call it smoke), I spend time watching it, even if I can't see the fish right then. So just stare. Watch where the new smoke arises and where it's fading out. See if the fish is moving in a general direction or just hovering in the area. Most importantly, watch for a flash of the tail so you know where the head is and which way it's pointed. In these situations, your sight fishing ability will be very limited, but you can have success with a strike indicator. It's still tricky getting the length and location right, but if they're feeding aggressively, they're more likely to move greater distances.

I've caught the carp in the canal in all weather during all seasons. But, I do find that on the super hot days, it will slow a little bit while the sun is overhead. In that case, focus nearby some of the little feeders into the canal, and you might have a little better success, but options are pretty limited.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:56 AM Daniel Lazenby <dlaz...@gmail.com> wrote:
I received an offer to go Carp fishing. Not wanting to show up dumb as a rock and having no technique I viewed some Youtube Carp videos about how to fish them. 

Then I spent a couple of afternoons (1 PM-5:30ish PM) walking the canal from Fletcher's down canal for a mile and a half towards DC. Water clarity never seemed to be more than maybe 8 inches visibility. I saw Carp. Really nice size Carp from my perspective. Most of them were greenish, though I did see a couple of orangeish-yellowish ones.

On my first walk, every Carp I saw was suspended (hovering) in position. Hardly moving a fin. Came across a pod(?) of 10 on the far side of the canal hovering under an overhanging bush. Hardly a fin moving. At the end of the day, I did see the most artful slow-motion rise. The 24+ inch fish surfaced with mouth open, closes its mouth, and submerges hardly leaving a dimple in the water.

On my second walk, a majority of the Carp I saw were slowly cruising up or down the canal or playing some form of tag. I did come across one half-submerged in the near side vegetation slowly working its way up canal feeding(?). I tried dropping my fly in the vegetation several inches in front of it. That resulted in the fish going around my fly and my fly snagged in the vegetation. I saw another one slightly nose down but there was no mud being disturbed. I also came across a faint mud trail, but never saw the fish.

So after two 3 mile round trip walks and a couple of handfuls of red cap raspberries, I still haven't a clue how to fish for these beasts with a fly.

Am I there at the wrong time of the day? 
Wrong time of the year?
Not holding my mouth right?

All advice welcomed.  

Daniel

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