{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Beaverdam Reservoir update....

Great article!

http://www.loudountimes.com/news/articl … e_crowd433

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Beaverdam Reservoir update....

Thank you so much for going, and for providing this report. I'm sorry I was unable to attend as I had intended to do. Work took me out of town and I was unable to return in time.

I find it interesting that they focused on gangs, teenage swimmers, and graffiti. Their initial statements to the press made it sound like this was all about public safety and repairs to critical county infrastructure. I assumed that the repairs to infrastructure created new presumed and overblown threats to public safety, and they were closing the area for a few years, which was bad enough. But here it sounds suspiciously like they just plan to keep teenage swimmers, dog walkers, gangs, picnickers, fisherman, kayakers, bikers, joggers, and other miscreant riffraff out of the area, permanently. I hope that is not true and/or they are not successful. Meanwhile it's kind of depressing, except for the part about how you and all these people showed up to represent some common sense.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Beaverdam Reservoir update....

The meeting went well but we must remember that we are dealing with a monopoly. That is how they think and act.

Lots of people showed up...more than normally attend a LoCo Board of Supervisors meeting. This was definitely noticed.

In attendance: 2 LoCo Supervisors, a rep from the Chairman's office, the former chair of DGIF, members (20+) of the Stone Bridge rowing team, a LoWa board member and 50 or so great citizens of Loudoun.

Many great comments were made as well as many questions (which they could not answer).

LoWa was unprepared for the quality of constituent that was in attendance. We were informed and armed with great info. They kept taking about teenagers swimming, gangs and graffiti. They focused on the bad...which will ahppen if no one is around anyway.

I don't know if we changed anything but the pressure was definitely on them. The LoCo BOS is also going to keep the pressure on as they were impressed with the passion we have for this great resource.

We will update on any future meetings....lots still needs to be done.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Stream Thermometer

All,

Does anyone have experience with digital thermometers while on the water? I'm looking at a few under $20 on Amazon - both infrared and digital cooking ones. 

Feel free to call me out if I'm over complicating things but I feel like the instant reading would be a nice feature even if it is a little bulkier than a glass/plastic tradition thermometer. 

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,

Connor

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Another Carp Story

You should be fine with a 6. I've used it before there. I was using a 7 in that video. As far as spots, it's hard to "hot spot" the canal even if one wanted to because fish could literally be anywhere. I believe I was between lock 7 and 8, but may have been between 6 and 7 as well. At least a few weeks ago, the green surface "mat" thinned out and disappeared if you walked about a half mile below lock 7. As you're fishing, just keep in mind the little access points down to the canal level. You'll see them - they're cut outs into the side. Just fight the fish towards one of them and you can get to the water. Sometimes there's a pretty long ways between those cut downs. I try to avoid casting to fish in those situations because landing them would be so difficult or I'd have to drag them (in the water) a really long ways, and I just don't feel good about that.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuq Yang <chuqyang@gmail.com> wrote:

Jeff, 

Great video.  That's much better editing than I would have done.  I was at Lock 7 today tossing some buggy looking flies, and had a carp inhale my fly, and then spit it right out.  I then proceeded to spook the three others there when I got so excited.  Anyway, do you think a 6wt (my biggest rod) is too small for landing a carp there?  It looks like your setup was bigger, but it could be the fish eye lens on the GoPro.  Also, it seems that right around lock 7, there is the pool above the lock that doesn't have all the green stuff on top like below the lock.  I also didn't see anywhere that I would even be able to get close enough to the water to net a carp.  I'm not trying to hotspot your fishing hole, but where abouts was the video filmed?  It looked like a pretty decent place to get close to the water there, but I didn't see anywhere like that immediately around lock 7.

Thanks.

Chuq

On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:01:03 AM UTC-4, namfos wrote:

Amen on the rarely getting a second chance part. But that's what kept me at it on Sunday instead of wading the river. ;-)

As for flies, I got some good looks and missed (all) strikes (klutz) with Carp Carrots and Bristle Leeches. You can find tying instructions via a Google search. Same flies should work well for panfish on vacation in 4 weeks.

Mark

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Another Carp Story

Jeff, 

Great video.  That's much better editing than I would have done.  I was at Lock 7 today tossing some buggy looking flies, and had a carp inhale my fly, and then spit it right out.  I then proceeded to spook the three others there when I got so excited.  Anyway, do you think a 6wt (my biggest rod) is too small for landing a carp there?  It looks like your setup was bigger, but it could be the fish eye lens on the GoPro.  Also, it seems that right around lock 7, there is the pool above the lock that doesn't have all the green stuff on top like below the lock.  I also didn't see anywhere that I would even be able to get close enough to the water to net a carp.  I'm not trying to hotspot your fishing hole, but where abouts was the video filmed?  It looked like a pretty decent place to get close to the water there, but I didn't see anywhere like that immediately around lock 7.

Thanks.

Chuq

On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:01:03 AM UTC-4, namfos wrote:

Amen on the rarely getting a second chance part. But that's what kept me at it on Sunday instead of wading the river. ;-)

As for flies, I got some good looks and missed (all) strikes (klutz) with Carp Carrots and Bristle Leeches. You can find tying instructions via a Google search. Same flies should work well for panfish on vacation in 4 weeks.

Mark

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Is there any point to killing snakehead caught rod-n-reel anymore?

I know this is true and that we are just discussing the facts, but $250,000?  What was calculated that led to this amount?

The maximum penalty for driving drunk in VA is $300 minus court-ordered restitution -- http://www.dmv.org/va-virginia/automotive-law/dui.php

(Disclaimer:  I am not interested in possessing a live NSH for any reason whatsoever)

Gene

On Monday, July 28, 2014 1:33:06 PM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:

Hi -- I managed to catch another (small) NSH yesterday which I dispatched immediately upon landing.  After doing so, I couldn't help but think that this is really just a knee-jerk reaction vs. an actual management tool.  I've seen more NSH this year than I ever have before and I doubt they're going anywhere.  

So, is everyone just doing this because it seemed like a good idea when the problem was first recognized, or is there any good reason to continue going out of our way to kill these things vs. just turning them loose?  

Gene

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Is there any point to killing snakehead caught rod-n-reel anymore?

Yea that is a pretty steep fine!

but that lets the public know their serious and hopefully will prevent the spread of the NSH to other waters

On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:55:51 PM UTC-4, Rob Snowhite wrote:

Make sure you throw weedless. Most of the spots are choked out with milfoil/hydrilla right now. And on the possession bit, DNR stated at the above mentioned tourney that the fine for possessing a live snakehead is $250,000.00

 

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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Is there any point to killing snakehead caught rod-n-reel anymore?

interesting time for this topic for me. After fishing in the Snakehead Tournament with the Urban Angler team (thanks be to Richard!!) I am now 'addicted' to trying to catch one on the fly. This weekend I will be hitting up some of the local NSH supposed hotspots sat/sun and plan on throwing dahlbergs/ deerhair poppers/ frog patterns.

does anyone have any other pattern suggestions that have been successful for catching a NSH?

My father is coming into town and after me telling him all about the snakehead he's done a lot of reading on them and he's hooked on the idea of catching one as well. (pun intended)

Davis

On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 8:36:16 AM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:

After discussions with DC Park Police, VA & MD fish & game enforcement officers, the key word in the regulations is "possession".  It is a loosely defined word, but all 3 agencies consider possession to fall under the intent once a NSH is caught.  Simply holding a fish up for a photo is not possession.  Placing the fish on any part of what you are fishing from DOES equate to possession though…  so that means if you release it in the water you're fine, but if you put it on the deck of your boat or kayak or haul it up on the bank, it's considered in your possession and no NSH may be in your possession alive.

R

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Is there any point to killing snakehead caught rod-n-reel anymore?

No need to kill them unless you want to eat them. Here are the rules:

It is against Maryland, Virginia, and federal laws to possess, import, or transport live Northern Snakehead.

If you catch a snakehead and want to keep it, you must immediately kill the fish by removing its head, gutting it or removing its gill arches. The capture and possession of dead snakeheads is not subject to any season, creel limit or size limit.

Please note the work "IF". You can release them alive. From experience, they are an incredible target. And they are tasty.

Ernie

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Louisiana Redfish

The guide was Rocky Thickstun (Salty Fly Louisiana). I typically use Greg Moon (Louisiana Fly Fishing Charters), but he wasn't available so he set me up with Rocky. They're friends and toss trips to each other if they are booked and the other is free. I highly recommend both. They also both have great reputations among guides down there as well. If you're thinking of going, plan way ahead. You might get lucky on short notice due to a cancellation, but these guys typically book up a year in advance - particularly for good tide days - during fall season, and several months ahead for a lot of the winter and spring. 

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Scott Stankus <sstankus@gmail.com> wrote:

Awesome fish - sounds like a great trip! If you don't mind sharing, who was the guide? And would you recommend him/her?

--Scott

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Jeffrey Silvan <jeffreysilvan@gmail.com> wrote:

I went down to New Orleans last weekend, and as I've been making a habit, I went down a day early to get some fishing in. I ended up catching five redfish, two of which were pretty hefty ~30 inch fish, but none were small. I saw a few gar, and I got a nice black drum to eat but I didn't realize he actually ate (I thought it was the bottom) so I didn't set the hook. I had a shot at an ENORMOUS redfish, but blew it. The guide thought it was a shark at first. My cast was off about 2 feet to the left of where it needed to be, and by the time I stripped it into position, it was ten feet from the boat. It went to eat it, but saw us at the last second and spooked. Still a great trip. I'm going back for three days of fishing in September, so I'll have to work on my accuracy with a weighted fly between now and then.

A few of the pictures the guide took are attached. I was wearing my GoPro so I have the two bigger fish on video, but took it off mid-day because I started getting the line a little tangled up in it. I haven't processed the video yet, but will share once I do.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Louisiana Redfish

Awesome fish - sounds like a great trip! If you don't mind sharing, who was the guide? And would you recommend him/her?

--Scott

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Jeffrey Silvan <jeffreysilvan@gmail.com> wrote:

I went down to New Orleans last weekend, and as I've been making a habit, I went down a day early to get some fishing in. I ended up catching five redfish, two of which were pretty hefty ~30 inch fish, but none were small. I saw a few gar, and I got a nice black drum to eat but I didn't realize he actually ate (I thought it was the bottom) so I didn't set the hook. I had a shot at an ENORMOUS redfish, but blew it. The guide thought it was a shark at first. My cast was off about 2 feet to the left of where it needed to be, and by the time I stripped it into position, it was ten feet from the boat. It went to eat it, but saw us at the last second and spooked. Still a great trip. I'm going back for three days of fishing in September, so I'll have to work on my accuracy with a weighted fly between now and then.

A few of the pictures the guide took are attached. I was wearing my GoPro so I have the two bigger fish on video, but took it off mid-day because I started getting the line a little tangled up in it. I haven't processed the video yet, but will share once I do.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Louisiana Redfish

Beautiful fish Jeff!  I hope to one day get into a big one like that -- 

Gene

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:56:16 AM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:

Nice report.  Love the fish, hate the hat  ;)

R

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Louisiana Redfish

I went down to New Orleans last weekend, and as I've been making a habit, I went down a day early to get some fishing in. I ended up catching five redfish, two of which were pretty hefty ~30 inch fish, but none were small. I saw a few gar, and I got a nice black drum to eat but I didn't realize he actually ate (I thought it was the bottom) so I didn't set the hook. I had a shot at an ENORMOUS redfish, but blew it. The guide thought it was a shark at first. My cast was off about 2 feet to the left of where it needed to be, and by the time I stripped it into position, it was ten feet from the boat. It went to eat it, but saw us at the last second and spooked. Still a great trip. I'm going back for three days of fishing in September, so I'll have to work on my accuracy with a weighted fly between now and then.

A few of the pictures the guide took are attached. I was wearing my GoPro so I have the two bigger fish on video, but took it off mid-day because I started getting the line a little tangled up in it. I haven't processed the video yet, but will share once I do.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Is there any point to killing snakehead caught rod-n-reel anymore?

Make sure you throw weedless. Most of the spots are choked out with milfoil/hydrilla right now. And on the possession bit, DNR stated at the above mentioned tourney that the fine for possessing a live snakehead is $250,000.00

 

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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Is there any point to killing snakehead caught rod-n-reel anymore?

interesting time for this topic for me. After fishing in the Snakehead Tournament with the Urban Angler team (thanks be to Richard!!) I am now 'addicted' to trying to catch one on the fly. This weekend I will be hitting up some of the local NSH supposed hotspots sat/sun and plan on throwing dahlbergs/ deerhair poppers/ frog patterns.

does anyone have any other pattern suggestions that have been successful for catching a NSH?

My father is coming into town and after me telling him all about the snakehead he's done a lot of reading on them and he's hooked on the idea of catching one as well. (pun intended)

Davis

On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 8:36:16 AM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:

After discussions with DC Park Police, VA & MD fish & game enforcement officers, the key word in the regulations is "possession".  It is a loosely defined word, but all 3 agencies consider possession to fall under the intent once a NSH is caught.  Simply holding a fish up for a photo is not possession.  Placing the fish on any part of what you are fishing from DOES equate to possession though…  so that means if you release it in the water you're fine, but if you put it on the deck of your boat or kayak or haul it up on the bank, it's considered in your possession and no NSH may be in your possession alive.

R

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Is there any point to killing snakehead caught rod-n-reel anymore?

No need to kill them unless you want to eat them. Here are the rules:

It is against Maryland, Virginia, and federal laws to possess, import, or transport live Northern Snakehead.

If you catch a snakehead and want to keep it, you must immediately kill the fish by removing its head, gutting it or removing its gill arches. The capture and possession of dead snakeheads is not subject to any season, creel limit or size limit.

Please note the work "IF". You can release them alive. From experience, they are an incredible target. And they are tasty.

Ernie

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} New Silver line opportunities

So now that we have the new Silver line open, does anyone know if these new stations opens up new fishing possibilities for those of us without a car?  The stations are McLean, Tysons Corner, Greensboro, Spring Hill and Wiehle-Reston East.  I'm looking for something that may be within reasonable walking or biking distance.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Beaverdam Reservoir (Loudoun County) closure

We are 2 signatures away from 1000! If you can, please sign the petition.

http://www.change.org/petitions/scott-york-allow-continued-access-of-beaver-dam-reservoir-for-the-public?utm_source=supporter_message&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=supporter_message

And if you are able  to attend, there is a Loudoun Water- Beaverdam Reservoir Community Meeting on Wednesday, July 30 from 7-9:30 pm.

Stone Hill Middle School
23415 Evergreen Ridge Dr., Ashburn

Thanks!

Ernie

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Anyone up for Harper's Ferry 7/26

John,

                Come on along, it's not a question of me looking for folks. I can do this trip on my own or with a half dozen people it's a large river with lots of room.License it's a little tricky : one can fish the entire area with a Maryland License .With Virginia License you can fish the Virginia shore and Maryland shore directly across from the Virginia shore. But Virginia's border with West Virginia is right there, so you can't fish the West Virginia shore or the Maryland shore which is directly across from West Virginia with Virginia License. If you have a West Virginia License obviously can fish the West Virginia shore and the Maryland shore directly across from West Virginia . I Hope all that make sense.

Vo 240-481-7832

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:22 AM, John Burke <burken15@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm going to try and join, if you're still looking for folks. Do you know which state's license is needed?

John

On Jul 24, 2014 5:38 PM, "vladimir polivanov" <vladimir.polivanov25@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey All,

              I'm planning on fishing the Potomac River at Harper's Ferry this Saturday from the afternoon till dark. Leaving the D.C. area about 2:30ish, and plan to do a fair amount of walking and wet wading once I get to the river. If anyone would like to join me. Shoot me an email and/or call.

 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Anyone up for Harper's Ferry 7/26

Hey All,

              I'm planning on fishing the Potomac River at Harper's Ferry this Saturday from the afternoon till dark. Leaving the D.C. area about 2:30ish, and plan to do a fair amount of walking and wet wading once I get to the river. If anyone would like to join me. Shoot me an email and/or call.

 

Vladimir ( Vo ) 240-481-7832

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Another Carp Story

Aaron - 

1. I've been using 3X tippet. I only broke one off, but it was on the hook set and likely due to not paying attention to chaffed line. It still seems to give me enough oomph to be able to try to stop a run into a branch. I haven't experimented with heavier line, so not sure if doing 2X will make spook.

2. I don't think the C&O is tidally influenced both because of its design and because you're above the fall line. If it is, I've never noticed, and definitely haven't made any correlation to fishing conditions.

3. I've typically tried to stay 2-3 feet between fly and indicator. For the most part, when you cast to the fish, it'll take it in the first 5-10 seconds if it is interested. I've mostly had success hanging it mid-water column in front of them. It takes too long to sink to the bottom - or where I believe the bottom is most of the time - to really be able to get an accurate shot where the carp will see it. The biggest thing with the indicator is to use as small of one as possible because they will spook the fish when they land if you don't drop it like you're presenting a size 24 midge. I'm going to try yarn next time I'm out there. If you're having a lot of trouble with spooking with the indicator, try casting a bit beyond the fish and dragging the fly into position. The dragging never seemed to spook, but the plop landing did. The only thing I noticed with color of indicator (I haven't used many different colors) is that the carp started to rise to, then refuse, a white one. Maybe they thought it was bread at first? I've generally used fluorescent colors because that's what came in the package I bought for other purposes. Lastly, if/when you encounter a fish feeding along the edge of the bank at your feet, you'll have one shot. Either take off the indicator or slide it WAY up the leader so it doesn't touch the water. It WILL spook. If you pull the fly away before it eats, you'll rarely get a second chance too. I usually don't even cast to these fish and just drop the fly into the water. I try to get it a foot or so in front of its nose and just let it go to the bottom. 9 times out of 10, it'll swim right over and suck it up. If you pull the fly away too soon or reposition it after it sees it, you'll rarely get a second chance.

Good luck and let us know how you do!

Jeff

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Hey Jeff,   I'm hoping to go there Wednesday morning to try some myself. Got a couple questions I'm hoping you can help with.

1:  with the size 12 to 14 bead head soft hackle your using, what size tippet would you suggest.  I'm not the best fisherman so I don't want to go too light but I obviously don't want to spook them more than I already will.

2:  any noticeable difference with the tides?  Any better for the canal?  I know it's better with moving tide in Potomac and I'm guessing the same for he canal.

3:  any suggestions with distance between fly and strike indicator?  I'm sure he tide height and clarity has a lot to do with it but any thoughts would help.  Aiming for bottom dragging or middle of water?  Etc...  I'm also guessing that smaller and duller colors would be better.


Any help would be appreciated.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Another Carp Story

Hey Jeff, I'm hoping to go there Wednesday morning to try some myself. Got a couple questions I'm hoping you can help with.

1: with the size 12 to 14 bead head soft hackle your using, what size tippet would you suggest. I'm not the best fisherman so I don't want to go too light but I obviously don't want to spook them more than I already will.

2: any noticeable difference with the tides? Any better for the canal? I know it's better with moving tide in Potomac and I'm guessing the same for he canal.

3: any suggestions with distance between fly and strike indicator? I'm sure he tide height and clarity has a lot to do with it but any thoughts would help. Aiming for bottom dragging or middle of water? Etc... I'm also guessing that smaller and duller colors would be better.


Any help would be appreciated.

Aaron

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Deep water snag advice

I rarely fish sinking lines, but I understand from Chico F. that *sometimes* it can be benefical to use a longer leader with one over deep, spooky fish.  However, for most people and in most cases a short 18-36" leader works best (I use nose to fully stretched arm....similar to dry fly tippet).  The longer you go with a leader on a sinking line, the more you're working against the purpose of getting deep.  

I'd rather fish a floating line with a  weighted fly than a sink tip with a prepackaged (fairly long) tapered leader.  

Gene

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 12:37:20 PM UTC-4, HermanyorFlorida wrote:

Hey Dalton -

Thanks, I'm using a straight out of the envelope tapering fluorocarbon leader, I think 15lb class.  I'm surprised it didn't break, but I might have been on a stiff branch with just enough give.  I might trying my own leader for use with the sinking tip line and leave the tapered for floating and intermediate line.

- Herman

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:28:59 AM UTC-4, Dalton Terrell wrote:

What type of leader are you using? If it's straight 40-60lb test, it will be damn near impossible to break off in a kayak, and the breaking point may actually be your fly line. I'd try building a leader with about 18" of 40lb butt section, 12" of 15-20lb class tippet, and 18" of wire or heavy bite tippet. From there, you should be able to break the class tippet by pulling with your hand and it shouldn't be weak enough to break of on a fish.

Dalton

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Deep water snag advice

Hey Dalton -

Thanks, I'm using a straight out of the envelope tapering fluorocarbon leader, I think 15lb class.  I'm surprised it didn't break, but I might have been on a stiff branch with just enough give.  I might trying my own leader for use with the sinking tip line and leave the tapered for floating and intermediate line.

- Herman

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:28:59 AM UTC-4, Dalton Terrell wrote:

What type of leader are you using? If it's straight 40-60lb test, it will be damn near impossible to break off in a kayak, and the breaking point may actually be your fly line. I'd try building a leader with about 18" of 40lb butt section, 12" of 15-20lb class tippet, and 18" of wire or heavy bite tippet. From there, you should be able to break the class tippet by pulling with your hand and it shouldn't be weak enough to break of on a fish.

Dalton

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Solid Couple of Days...(Gunpowder and Seneca Creek)

I had a few days off of work this week so I decided to head up to the Gunpowder River to give it a go.  I parked at masemore road and fished my way up almost to the prettyboy dam.  Landed a couple of decent browns, all of which were on nymphs, and had one that was about 13-14 inches.  Spent some time fishing with caddis and terrestrials but couldn't get any action on dries.  Around the bridge at falls road I saw tons of decent sized fish, and a few large ones, that were laying on the bottom.  I threw nymphs and streamers at them but couldn't get them to move.  Are these carp?  Does anybody know?  

Today I decided to head out to seneca creek, right below river road, to see if I could find any fish there.  In only about 2 hours I caught a smallie, a few largemouth, a rockbass(which was my first),  countless bluegill, and what I think was a red breasted sunfish.  All bass were on a chartreuse clouser size 4, and many of the bluegill were on poppers and terrestrials.  Was a great time and will hopefully be back out there soon.

Also, I'm looking for a place somewhere in Virginia, West Virginia, or Pennsylvania, within a 3 hour drive or so of DC to do some backpacking, camping, and of course a lot of fishing, preferably for trout.  Does anybody know of any good trails/trout rivers where camping is permitted within 3 hours or so of DC??

Thanks,

Jason  

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Book Suggestions Bay Fishing

Don't know about any books but I would go out with Chris Newsome for a day to get ahead of the learning curve for that area. There is a lot of water to cover down that way.

Ernie

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Book Suggestions Bay Fishing

Hello all! I would like to start exploring some of the fly fishing opportunities in the Chesapeake and tidal tribs. I am particularly interested in the Eastern Shore, Northern Neck , and Middle Peninsula areas. I have fished this area's freshwater for over 20 years, but have limited knowledge of the tidal fishery with exception to the local Potomac. I am looking a getting a sturdy canoe that will hopefully open up a lot of areas.

Do any of you have any recommendations on guide books etc... to help me learn locations/launch points/ seasonal patterns?

Thanks!

Matt

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Best Fishing Books

Lefty's fly fishing the chesapeake is a local favorite of mine

On Jul 9, 2014 9:53 PM, "Tom T" <tom.trentman@gmail.com> wrote:

A lot of great suggestions so far.

I would second anything by Robert Traver.

I also really enjoyed crosscurrents by James Babb.

If you like outdoor literature, you should really subscribe to Gray's Sporting Journal.

Tom

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Best Fishing Books

A lot of great suggestions so far.

I would second anything by Robert Traver.

I also really enjoyed crosscurrents by James Babb.

If you like outdoor literature, you should really subscribe to Gray's Sporting Journal.

Tom

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Berkeley Springs, WV - Access/Local Intel?

Thanks, y'all.  I'll let you know how we do!

On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 10:56:44 AM UTC-4, Andrew LaVigne wrote:

Just got back from that area yesterday. We stayed at a cabin a few miles upriver from Great Cacapon on WV-9. The subdivision was called Morgan Woods, and had private river frontage, but there was a pull-off public access just downstream with room for 1-2 cars, and a path down to the river. It wasn't marked all that well, but if you find the Morgan Woods entrance, you can backtrack to it. Be careful around there though - the private property signs are everywhere, and the owners were out in force to make sure people weren't walking through. 

There are other accesses closer to Great Cacapon that are marked with signs, and near the bridges. I think it is probably just worth exploring some to see what's public and what's not. 

The Cacapon in that area was wadeable in general, but had its challenges. Slick rocks and a slit layer on everything meant you really needed good wading shoes and take it slow. It was sort of like a combination of the ridges/reefs in the Shenandoah near Luray and the slow/silty areas in the lower Rapidan. 

Fishing was decent the first day - July 4 - standard stuff like clousers and rubber leg buggers got a few subsurface hits until the topwater game started, and then blue poppers were getting aggressive strikes. Had several small bass and sunfish, a few 12-14 inch bass landed, and one big fish that broke me off on a rock, after I couldn't turn it fast enough on a 5 weight. 

The 2nd day (Saturday), the river was flowing higher & cooler, and had some stain to it, I assume from the big rains on Thursday charging up the tributaries and springs. Fishing dropped off markedly, with only a few topwater hits in 4-5 hours of fishing. There were some areas on the back side of islands I wish I could have gotten to, and with lower flows, you might be able to make your way over.

For reference, here's the streamflow data from USGS for the river. Note the rise/spike on July 5

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/wv/nwis/uv/?site_no=01611500&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060,62614

Watch for the streamflow to get back into the normal range - wading will be much better, and fishing with it. 

Good luck out there. Pretty countryside. 

On Monday, July 7, 2014 7:59:41 PM UTC-4, Patrick Kearns wrote:

Hey all,

The weekend after next, I'll be at Cacapon State Park in Berkeley Springs, WV for an annual weekend of golf and fishing with my dad.  With the golf, I'm beyond help, but I was hoping y'all might have advice on the fishing.

We've fished both bodies of water in the park itself (the lake with the beach  and the reservoir further back into the park) with mixed results - mostly panfish and small bass.  We'll hit those up when we only have an hour or two at the end of the day, but on our one full day we're looking to strike out from the park for a change of scene.  Does anyone have advice on better shore fishing within 30-45 minutes drive?  

In the past, we've talked up folks at the park and local stores, but always either gotten lost trying to find the spots they told us about, or found them full of locals swimming and tubing.  Given the number of runs, creeks, ponds, etc. (in addition to the two big rivers) I get the impression that picking which spot of many to go fish out of our options may be more of the challenge.

From the WV DNR website, it looks like there should be good access & fishing where the Cacapon River meets the Potomac by Route 9, and there's also mention of a power plant further up the Cacapon.  Does anyone have any experience in these or other places nearby?  

Not asking for anybody's honey hole - just a place where there's some walkable shoreline and the possibility of slightly larger quarry.  Any intel is much appreciated.

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