Saturday, August 31, 2013

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Mosquito Lagoon, Florida fishing advice

Miles

Thanks. Awesome guidance.

On Aug 31, 2013 8:19 AM, "Miles" <md@oppidi.net> wrote:
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Those were my stomping grounds when I was a kid, growing up in Orlando. The No Motor Zone at KARS is actually the north end of the Banana River. Be sure to check out the map and ***free permit card*** for the Merritt Island NWR: http://www.fws.gov/merrittisland/FishRegs2013.pdf

You can also put in behind the cruise ship terminals on the east side of the river, which is technically 'no fishing' water, but you can paddle through it on your way to fishing. You used to be able to fish almost the whole NMZ, but since 2001 they blocked out the east side, which is most of the flats. The fishing area starts more or less at the spoil islands and goes west.

I haven't flyfished the Banana River NMZ as much as I would like; it is often a bit too windy out there. That said, I would add a few patterns to your arsenal:

- a Deerceiver in chartreuse (a deceiver with a spun deer hair head and bead chain eyes) or some sort of a suspending minnow
- a yellow popper (can be very plain)
- a spoon fly (if it's not cheating), like Dupree's or my own SiliSpoon (http://flyfishingconsultant.blogspot.com/2011/06/miless-silispoon-fly.html
- a Copper Liz

The deerceiver is a killer seatrout fly; fish it just under the surface, above the grass, especially anywhere there are sandy potholes. The yellow popper will take seatrout and reds, but also jacks and ladyfish. The spoon fly and the copper liz are both for redfish -- the spoon for searching, the liz for sightfishing. The Liz is named after one of the co-owners of the Fly Fisherman, which used to be the main fly shop on the space coast; they closed a few years ago, which was sad, but their staff always had a major case of flyshop spectrum disorder so it wasn't surprising. I don't know if there is another fly shop in the area.

If you have a spinning outfit, it might be worth bringing, along with some gold Johnson spoons and some soft plastic baits, just in case the wind makes flyfishing too difficult. If the wind is cranking, usually there will be some fish stacked up behind the spoil islands and sand bars, waiting for whatever gets pushed off the shallows -- you can fish from behind the islands and do reasonably well.

There is also an NMZ on the Mosquito Lagoon, which is a bit of a drive north of Cocoa. I fished that for the first time in April with my dad: we put in and started paddling out, and almost immediately began seeing medium-sized reds shooting out from in front of the boat. I hooked and played a large sea trout on a spoon fly, but he managed to unhook himself just as we got him to the boat. Very frustrating -- I have no idea what I was thinking debarbing that hook in the first place.

Wading in the Merritt Island fisheries can be a decent way to get around, although a lot of the bottom is soft. Some places are firmer than others. Often there is a pretty thick shore muck to get through, from all the decaying sea grass piled up. I've sunk up to my waist in the stinkiest mud you've ever smelled, so be careful if you're out there alone. I wouldn't worry at all about sharks while wading, but there usually is a large crocodilian in the Banana River NMZ, who sometimes shadows anglers. He has never attacked a human, to the best of my knowledge, but if he wants your fish don't bother arguing. I've seen him there since I was a teenager, so he could be a pair of boots or a purse by now, but he might still be kicking it.

If the wind is killing you and you still want to flyfish, try the dyke roads along the Indian River, across from Titusville. You can fish in the marsh behind the dykes, which they keep full to control the mosquito population, and there will be juvenile seatrout, snook, and ladyfish back there, up to a pound or so. You can't put a boat in, so just park and walk the roads, looking for holes in the mangroves big enough to launch a fly. This is about the only place you would want to use the 5 wt, probably with a small, flashy Clouser, or a small crease fly style popper. If the culverts are open, fish in the outflows (just like Gravelly) and you can catch bigger fish. 

If you want snook, Cocoa is a bit too far north, in my experience. A solid choice would be the Sebastian River, an hour or so south. You can put in at Donald MacDonald park, and paddle around in relative protection from the wind. I've gotten some snook back there -- look for overhanging brush or docks, like you would fish for largemouth. There are also supposed to be good numbers of juvenile tarpon in there, though it might already be too cold by October; I struck (but did not set) a ~20 lb. tarpon a year or so ago, but it was too cold when I went back in April. Note there will be motor boats, which can be a hassle. For snook I would recommend the Deerceiver or a razorback (sort of a saltwater zonker pattern) -- anything you can get up under the trees that has good action and won't sink right away -- in dark colors (purple, black) since the water has a lot of tannin. 

good luck,

Miles

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: North Branch of the Potomac

Good luck. Looks fishable for the next few days. Lots of poison ivy along the trails. I'd wear waders and don't forget studs and wading staff if you have them, at least around the NB.

On Aug 30, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Matt Inbusch <minbusch@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks all!  Got a good report from the guys at Early Rise Flies (http://www.earlyriseflies.com/) and headed that way tomorrow.  Will report back...

On Thursday, August 29, 2013 5:40:24 PM UTC-4, dubblehaul wrote:
I use the link below too.  It is a crap shoot sometimes though. 

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Current flows and future flows below the dam will be really high.
 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Mosquito Lagoon, Florida fishing advice

Nedak --

Those were my stomping grounds when I was a kid, growing up in Orlando. The No Motor Zone at KARS is actually the north end of the Banana River. Be sure to check out the map and ***free permit card*** for the Merritt Island NWR: http://www.fws.gov/merrittisland/FishRegs2013.pdf

You can also put in behind the cruise ship terminals on the east side of the river, which is technically 'no fishing' water, but you can paddle through it on your way to fishing. You used to be able to fish almost the whole NMZ, but since 2001 they blocked out the east side, which is most of the flats. The fishing area starts more or less at the spoil islands and goes west.

I haven't flyfished the Banana River NMZ as much as I would like; it is often a bit too windy out there. That said, I would add a few patterns to your arsenal:

- a Deerceiver in chartreuse (a deceiver with a spun deer hair head and bead chain eyes) or some sort of a suspending minnow
- a yellow popper (can be very plain)
- a spoon fly (if it's not cheating), like Dupree's or my own SiliSpoon (http://flyfishingconsultant.blogspot.com/2011/06/miless-silispoon-fly.html) 
- a Copper Liz

The deerceiver is a killer seatrout fly; fish it just under the surface, above the grass, especially anywhere there are sandy potholes. The yellow popper will take seatrout and reds, but also jacks and ladyfish. The spoon fly and the copper liz are both for redfish -- the spoon for searching, the liz for sightfishing. The Liz is named after one of the co-owners of the Fly Fisherman, which used to be the main fly shop on the space coast; they closed a few years ago, which was sad, but their staff always had a major case of flyshop spectrum disorder so it wasn't surprising. I don't know if there is another fly shop in the area.

If you have a spinning outfit, it might be worth bringing, along with some gold Johnson spoons and some soft plastic baits, just in case the wind makes flyfishing too difficult. If the wind is cranking, usually there will be some fish stacked up behind the spoil islands and sand bars, waiting for whatever gets pushed off the shallows -- you can fish from behind the islands and do reasonably well.

There is also an NMZ on the Mosquito Lagoon, which is a bit of a drive north of Cocoa. I fished that for the first time in April with my dad: we put in and started paddling out, and almost immediately began seeing medium-sized reds shooting out from in front of the boat. I hooked and played a large sea trout on a spoon fly, but he managed to unhook himself just as we got him to the boat. Very frustrating -- I have no idea what I was thinking debarbing that hook in the first place.

Wading in the Merritt Island fisheries can be a decent way to get around, although a lot of the bottom is soft. Some places are firmer than others. Often there is a pretty thick shore muck to get through, from all the decaying sea grass piled up. I've sunk up to my waist in the stinkiest mud you've ever smelled, so be careful if you're out there alone. I wouldn't worry at all about sharks while wading, but there usually is a large crocodilian in the Banana River NMZ, who sometimes shadows anglers. He has never attacked a human, to the best of my knowledge, but if he wants your fish don't bother arguing. I've seen him there since I was a teenager, so he could be a pair of boots or a purse by now, but he might still be kicking it.

If the wind is killing you and you still want to flyfish, try the dyke roads along the Indian River, across from Titusville. You can fish in the marsh behind the dykes, which they keep full to control the mosquito population, and there will be juvenile seatrout, snook, and ladyfish back there, up to a pound or so. You can't put a boat in, so just park and walk the roads, looking for holes in the mangroves big enough to launch a fly. This is about the only place you would want to use the 5 wt, probably with a small, flashy Clouser, or a small crease fly style popper. If the culverts are open, fish in the outflows (just like Gravelly) and you can catch bigger fish. 

If you want snook, Cocoa is a bit too far north, in my experience. A solid choice would be the Sebastian River, an hour or so south. You can put in at Donald MacDonald park, and paddle around in relative protection from the wind. I've gotten some snook back there -- look for overhanging brush or docks, like you would fish for largemouth. There are also supposed to be good numbers of juvenile tarpon in there, though it might already be too cold by October; I struck (but did not set) a ~20 lb. tarpon a year or so ago, but it was too cold when I went back in April. Note there will be motor boats, which can be a hassle. For snook I would recommend the Deerceiver or a razorback (sort of a saltwater zonker pattern) -- anything you can get up under the trees that has good action and won't sink right away -- in dark colors (purple, black) since the water has a lot of tannin. 

good luck,

Miles

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Friday, August 30, 2013

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: North Branch of the Potomac

Thanks all!  Got a good report from the guys at Early Rise Flies (http://www.earlyriseflies.com/) and headed that way tomorrow.  Will report back...

On Thursday, August 29, 2013 5:40:24 PM UTC-4, dubblehaul wrote:
I use the link below too.  It is a crap shoot sometimes though. 

On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Kevin Chaney <chan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Current flows and future flows below the dam will be really high.
 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Pike/Musky

Thanks guys,
I am gonna try and put a trip together this fall and again in the early spring.  I'll post it when I do and see if anyone wants to tag along.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Mosquito Lagoon, Florida fishing advice

For reds, go with a 6ft section of 20# with a 3ft tippet of 12#. If you'll be fishing a lot of grass, go with mono butt and fluoro tippet for the abrasion resistance. The fluoro is more brittle than regular mono, so be prepared to lose to flies. I might also suggest some worm/eel patterns - I use a strip of black or olive zonker tied in just above the bend and with a loop of mono hanging off the back to keep it from fouling, then palmer the zonker toward the eye of the hook - medium lead dumbell eyes and epoxy for the head. Also, tie up some dahlberg divers, bendbacks, and topwaters like gurglers, bangers, and crease flies. In my (limited) experience, reds like black, gold, and olive and for the rest, shoot for baitfish-y colors like white, under chartreuse/pink/blue/green. Some high-tie synthetic baitfish patterns will also be useful. 


On Friday, August 30, 2013 10:17:08 AM UTC-4, Nedak wrote:
Posted elsewhere but thought I would hit you guys up as well...

Planning trip to Cocoa Beach in early October.

 

Plan on staying at 4 Points in Cocoa Beach and renting a kayak to fish the No Motor Zone.

 

Plan on starting here: https://www.google.com/maps?q=Kars+Park,+Merritt+Island,+FL&sll=38.80482090000001,-77.2369665&sspn=3.2849034871016416,7.9555222386255595&t=m&dg=opt&hq=Kars+Park,+Merritt+Island,+FL&z=16

 

Plan on targeting Reds/Sea Trout/Snook, anything else on a fly.  Probably kayak along shoreline looking for tailing fish or sight fish and wading w kayak tethered to me.  Can cast from kayak as required.

 

Plan on using clouser minnows in the brown/white, pink/white, chartruese/white category. Size 1, 2, 1/0 and 2/0.

 

Have a few merkin crabs, pink shrimp patterns and can tie some more (ugly-I am not great at them) if needed.

 

Have 9wt and 5wt w. variety of lines but plan on using floating line since I think it skinny water.

 

So:

 

Looking for feedback on setup/patterns/areas anything.

 

Thanks.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Mosquito Lagoon, Florida fishing advice

You should have pretty good luck early in October, since the mullet will be running (hint - bring mullet imitations). I'd leave the 5wt at home, since that'll really be too light for anything but some snapper. You'll want to fish Mosquito Lagoon. The water should be crystal clear, and it is basically a massive grass flat. Indian River and Banana River can also work, but I'd do Mosquito if possible. If a cold front hasn't hit yet, tarpon will still be around. I'd probably avoid wading, or at least keep a very keen eye out for sharks. Redfish will probably be your main target, and if you play the tides right, you should definitely find them tailing. Look for them all over the grass flats. If a cold front has moved through, while you'll be losing shots at tarpon, the redfish and specks will start to school up. Definitely bring shrimp and crab patterns. Call up a local fly shop closer to your trip (or stop in down there), and they can give you an idea of more specific patterns that have been working. Snook action will have probably died down, but if it stays warm, you might still get a chance at some. Bluefish and spanish mackerel will have moved in, but they won't be on the flats. I'm not sure how long/how many days you'll be fishing, but as I usually recommend, I'd consider getting a guide for at least half a day on your first day. Guides are relatively inexpensive in that area since it'll be all flats skiffs, and there's basically no fuel costs.


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Posted elsewhere but thought I would hit you guys up as well...

Planning trip to Cocoa Beach in early October.

 

Plan on staying at 4 Points in Cocoa Beach and renting a kayak to fish the No Motor Zone.

 

Plan on starting here: https://www.google.com/maps?q=Kars+Park,+Merritt+Island,+FL&sll=38.80482090000001,-77.2369665&sspn=3.2849034871016416,7.9555222386255595&t=m&dg=opt&hq=Kars+Park,+Merritt+Island,+FL&z=16

 

Plan on targeting Reds/Sea Trout/Snook, anything else on a fly.  Probably kayak along shoreline looking for tailing fish or sight fish and wading w kayak tethered to me.  Can cast from kayak as required.

 

Plan on using clouser minnows in the brown/white, pink/white, chartruese/white category. Size 1, 2, 1/0 and 2/0.

 

Have a few merkin crabs, pink shrimp patterns and can tie some more (ugly-I am not great at them) if needed.

 

Have 9wt and 5wt w. variety of lines but plan on using floating line since I think it skinny water.

 

So:

 

Looking for feedback on setup/patterns/areas anything.

 

Thanks.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Pflueger Summit 1678 Extra Spool Help

Discount Fly And Tackle in Denver on Santa Fe ave has loads of old gear. Maybe shoot them email or phone call

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On Aug 29, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Vic Velasco <velascovictorv@gmail.com> wrote:

It's still a ways off (January), but the Somerset Fly Fishing Show had several vendor booths that had tons of used gear.  Maybe some others here on the forum could let you know the names of the bigger vendors (I don't have my show guide anymore) and you could get to the actual shops.

On Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:28:05 AM UTC-4, Paul wrote:

Hello. I'm new to the forum and I have a question in hopes that someone can help...   I have a fly reel that I believe is discontinued. Its a Pflueger Summit 1678. I love the reel and I'm trying to find an extra spool for it. Any suggestions? I've emailed Pflueger but they are out of stock. I've searched ebay wothout any luck. Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions for online fly shops to try. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Chesapeake Council of the IFFF Newsletter Spotlight of TPFR

Google failed me.  Can someone post a link to the Chesapeake Council website?  Thanks.

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:53:07 PM UTC-4, Jim wrote:

Hey folks,
I have been asked to draft a Featured Club article for the Chesapeake Council Newsletter.  I am looking for pictures to include in the article, maybe something from the Float Trip, Beer Tie, etc...
Contact me at this email.
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    Jeffrey Silvan <jeffre...@gmail.com> Aug 27 08:36AM -0400  

    Some of them were actively feeding. Those were the ones I got follows from,
    but couldn't tell if they bit since the water was too muddy. I rarely get a
    second glance from ones just hanging out, unless they're in a group. Then
    it is slightly less rare to get ones hanging out in a group to follow. I
    only say rare because the one I hooked was a solo guy, and didn't appear to
    be actively feeding either.
     
     
     
    Rob Snowhite <r...@robsnowhite.com> Aug 27 08:52AM -0400  

    The hammerhead net by Dave Maynard would work. Trying to get a pic of it #fishchat
     
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    Rob Snowhite <r...@robsnowhite.com> Aug 27 09:16AM -0400  

    Headed I Georgetown now with the family. Ill fish while they shop.
     
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    Kevin Huntington <huntingt...@gmail.com> Aug 27 06:35AM -0700  

    Hello all,

    A buddy and a I are going to take a day trip for some trout this weekend
    and are trying to decide between Mossy Creek and the Rapidan. We're cool
    with the couple hour drive to get there, so that's not an issue. But
    neither of us have ever fished either place, so just looking for input.

    I've heard Mossy trout are spooked very easily and it's a tough place to
    fish. But I also don't know if the water temp is still low enough this
    late in the summer for the Rapidan. We just want to catch a few trout and
    soak in some scenery.

    Any other river or stream suggestions are welcome too, we're just jonesing
    for some trout.

    Any thoughts or input from anyone would be great! Thanks!
     
    Scott Stankus <ssta...@gmail.com> Aug 27 10:14AM -0400  

    I've never been to either, but I see that Mossy is one of the Red Hot
    locations on the Orvis Fishing Reports this week. The SF Shenandoah is on
    the Red Hot list, too. It doesn't look like there's a Rapidan report, so no
    info there.
     
    --Scott
     
     
    On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Huntington <
     
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    Rob Snowhite <r...@robsnowhite.com> Aug 27 11:03AM -0400  

    Mossy = beetles beetles beetles
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     
     
    Danny Barrett <dannyt...@gmail.com> Aug 27 12:17PM -0400  

    Id pick mossy over rapidan this time of year personaly. if you head up to
    to rapidan, its a rough road getting in without a suv. rapidan has better
    scenery for sure. if your ok with a drive, id suggest the jackson. above
    the dam its around 40 CFS and below dam it is about 200-300 CFS. there are
    some spots ive found for wading. if you are both good with covering water
    then you can hit a variety of spots on the jackson in a day. i live out by
    winchester and can get down there in abou 3 hours. if you end up down
    there and want some other advice, hit me up dannyt...@gmail.com. i
    spent my entire spring break in that part of the state. 7 days and never
    fished the same part of river and almost fished a different river each day.
     
    Tight lines,
    Dan Barrett
     
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    (540)-222-8064
     
     
    On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Huntington <
     
    "Eric Y." <theeri...@gmail.com> Aug 27 11:37AM -0700  

    The Jackson is my homewater and it is a good trout fishery. There is a ton
    of good wading below the dam in the tailwaters, however, if you aren't up
    on your knowledge of the what sections are okay to fish and what sections
    aren't, I'd suggest doing a good amount of research before you go wandering
    down the river. There are some major landowner rights issues on the Jackson
    and you can find yourself in a lot of legal trouble if you don't respect
    them. Several landowners have brought hefty suits against anglers on the
    Jackson in recent years and, if history is any indication, you will lose
    that battle. That said, since it is just one day, you'll find plenty of
    trout in the tailwater immediately below the dam - more than enough water
    to keep you entertained for a day.
     
    On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:17:11 PM UTC-4, Danny Barrett wrote:
     
    Steve <dubbl...@waywardangler.com> Aug 27 06:45PM -0400  

    Damn King George law. How is it above the lake? I understand you can backpack/camp along that section.
     
     
    "Eric Y." <theeri...@gmail.com> Aug 27 05:34PM -0700  

    Above the lake is the same situation with regard to landowner rights.
    Usually fishing is a bit harder there, but you have the chance to catch
    monsters and the average fish is probably a bit larger, whereas below the
    dam 22" is the limit, based on a quick survey of my fishing buddies there,
    and the average catch is in the 12-14" range. I had a professor in college
    who was an ichthyologist and loved the Jackson. He only fished above the
    lake and had many pictures of 26"+ fish from the section (albeit, collected
    over several decades, I'm sure). They also have a small population of
    steelhead that were stocked into the lake and run up the river every year.
    I've seen pictures, but never met anyone who's caught one/witnessed one
    caught, so I wouldn't plan a big trip around that knowledge, but it is an
    exciting proposition.
     
    On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:45:15 PM UTC-4, dubblehaul wrote:
     
    Nick F - Gaucho Fly <nfran...@gmail.com> Aug 27 06:36AM -0700  

    Campsite was terrible. A rocky beach we found as the sun was setting. . We just winged it
     
    Steve <dubbl...@waywardangler.com> Aug 27 06:41PM -0400  

    That's too bad. Hammock camping might be an option, one with an intergraded bug net and rainfly perhaps?
     
     
    peter odell <peter...@gmail.com> Aug 27 05:48AM -0700  

    Depending on which river you float in Oregon, you may need the slippery
    rock wading practice. The Deschutes, famous in Sept/October for steelhead,
    doesn't allow you to fish out of a boat at all (weird) while other rivers
    are okay with it.

    One easy way to be effective is to literally cast upstream with one stroke
    - the current will load the rod, and if you lower it to the water and throw
    it back upstream without a false cast, you can get great distance and avoid
    tangles if you are using a 2 fly rig. Just watch out as you are getting
    ready, I've had some awesome strikes from both trout and steelhead when the
    fly is just "hanging down" in the current. I've taught several newbies how
    to do this and they have done well.
     
     
    TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> Aug 27 06:44AM -0700  

    Peter -- I believe that is known as "water boarding". I use it all the
    time with heavy flies, nymph rigs, and even sometimes when it is extremely
    windy. Patience seems to be the key to doing it well.
     
    Gene
     
    On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:48:48 AM UTC-4, peter odell wrote:
     
    Nfranzetti <nfran...@gmail.com> Aug 27 09:43AM -0400  

    Senor Denito. Check out riverfront campground in Duncannon PA. They rent canoes cheap and run a shuttle service up river. Can't go wrong. Now is a great time to go.
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     
     

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Mosquito Lagoon, Florida fishing advice

Posted elsewhere but thought I would hit you guys up as well...

Planning trip to Cocoa Beach in early October.

 

Plan on staying at 4 Points in Cocoa Beach and renting a kayak to fish the No Motor Zone.

 

Plan on starting here: https://www.google.com/maps?q=Kars+Park,+Merritt+Island,+FL&sll=38.80482090000001,-77.2369665&sspn=3.2849034871016416,7.9555222386255595&t=m&dg=opt&hq=Kars+Park,+Merritt+Island,+FL&z=16

 

Plan on targeting Reds/Sea Trout/Snook, anything else on a fly.  Probably kayak along shoreline looking for tailing fish or sight fish and wading w kayak tethered to me.  Can cast from kayak as required.

 

Plan on using clouser minnows in the brown/white, pink/white, chartruese/white category. Size 1, 2, 1/0 and 2/0.

 

Have a few merkin crabs, pink shrimp patterns and can tie some more (ugly-I am not great at them) if needed.

 

Have 9wt and 5wt w. variety of lines but plan on using floating line since I think it skinny water.

 

So:

 

Looking for feedback on setup/patterns/areas anything.

 

Thanks.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Pflueger Summit 1678 Extra Spool Help

It's still a ways off (January), but the Somerset Fly Fishing Show had several vendor booths that had tons of used gear.  Maybe some others here on the forum could let you know the names of the bigger vendors (I don't have my show guide anymore) and you could get to the actual shops.

On Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:28:05 AM UTC-4, Paul wrote:

Hello. I'm new to the forum and I have a question in hopes that someone can help...   I have a fly reel that I believe is discontinued. Its a Pflueger Summit 1678. I love the reel and I'm trying to find an extra spool for it. Any suggestions? I've emailed Pflueger but they are out of stock. I've searched ebay wothout any luck. Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions for online fly shops to try. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Pike/Musky

They don't call 'em the fish of a million casts for nothing.

On Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:50:18 PM UTC-4, Matthew Longley wrote:
I'd love to get into some pike too.  Tried my hand up in Maine a few weeks ago, but struck out.  Maybe too big of a lake for my canoe...

I've talked to folks at burke lake who have caught musky there, but they did it by trolling trout-sized crankbaits behind their boat while they were bass fishing.  Musky hits were really few and far in between.


On Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:30:03 PM UTC-4, Eric Y. wrote:
James and New river from headwaters of the James down and the new out around Blacksburg have some big girls in there. Lake Burke has musky (though I'm not sure if it is viable on fly there - never even seen the lake) and the Occoquan Reservoir has pike, but, again, I don't know much beyond that basic fact.

On Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:11:29 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:
I've been told by some of the Shenandoah area guides that the muskies tend not to travel very far from stocking locations. The Front Royal location is one I've heard of being good, as well as around Luray. 


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, samuel newcomer <samueln...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Gang,
With Fall right around the corner, I was hoping to put some Pike/Musky trips on the calendar. I have heard of some good spots North of Fort Royal and then at the New River in the South West.  Just wondering if anyone has some info on anywhere else.
-Sam

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Using a VHF on the water

For you boaters, here's a good post on using a handheld marine radio:

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: North Branch of the Potomac

I use the link below too.  It is a crap shoot sometimes though. 

On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Kevin Chaney <chaneykj@gmail.com> wrote:

Current flows and future flows below the dam will be really high.
 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Chesapeake Council of the IFFF Newsletter Spotlight of TPFR

Founded in 2013, the Chesapeake Council is a partnership of individual members and clubs of the International Federation of Fly Fishers residing in the states of Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, West Virginia, Virginia, and Washington, DC.    The Chesapeake Bay Watershed drains over 64,000 square miles of land area embraced by Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, West Virginia, Virginia, and Washington, DC and contains over 100,000 rivers and streams. The Chesapeake Bay Watershed is the common denominator between our council's states and we thought it only logical to share its name. The Chesapeake Council is dedicated to the growth and enhancement of the sport of fly fishing through Education, Conservation, and Fellowship.

The newsletter will go out to all members of the CCIFFF.  Each edition will cover a different club.  This is our chance to tell folks about the cool things we are doing.



On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:53:07 PM UTC-4, Jim wrote:

Hey folks,
I have been asked to draft a Featured Club article for the Chesapeake Council Newsletter.  I am looking for pictures to include in the article, maybe something from the Float Trip, Beer Tie, etc...
Contact me at this email.
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    Jeffrey Silvan <jeffreysilvan@gmail.com> Aug 27 08:36AM -0400  

    Some of them were actively feeding. Those were the ones I got follows from,
    but couldn't tell if they bit since the water was too muddy. I rarely get a
    second glance from ones just hanging out, unless they're in a group. Then
    it is slightly less rare to get ones hanging out in a group to follow. I
    only say rare because the one I hooked was a solo guy, and didn't appear to
    be actively feeding either.
     
     
     
    Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> Aug 27 08:52AM -0400  

    The hammerhead net by Dave Maynard would work. Trying to get a pic of it #fishchat
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     
     
    Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> Aug 27 09:16AM -0400  

    Headed I Georgetown now with the family. Ill fish while they shop.
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     
     
    Kevin Huntington <huntington.kevin@gmail.com> Aug 27 06:35AM -0700  

    Hello all,

    A buddy and a I are going to take a day trip for some trout this weekend
    and are trying to decide between Mossy Creek and the Rapidan. We're cool
    with the couple hour drive to get there, so that's not an issue. But
    neither of us have ever fished either place, so just looking for input.

    I've heard Mossy trout are spooked very easily and it's a tough place to
    fish. But I also don't know if the water temp is still low enough this
    late in the summer for the Rapidan. We just want to catch a few trout and
    soak in some scenery.

    Any other river or stream suggestions are welcome too, we're just jonesing
    for some trout.

    Any thoughts or input from anyone would be great! Thanks!
     
    Scott Stankus <sstankus@gmail.com> Aug 27 10:14AM -0400  

    I've never been to either, but I see that Mossy is one of the Red Hot
    locations on the Orvis Fishing Reports this week. The SF Shenandoah is on
    the Red Hot list, too. It doesn't look like there's a Rapidan report, so no
    info there.
     
    --Scott
     
     
    On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Huntington <
     
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    Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> Aug 27 11:03AM -0400  

    Mossy = beetles beetles beetles
     
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    Danny Barrett <dannytbarrett@gmail.com> Aug 27 12:17PM -0400  

    Id pick mossy over rapidan this time of year personaly. if you head up to
    to rapidan, its a rough road getting in without a suv. rapidan has better
    scenery for sure. if your ok with a drive, id suggest the jackson. above
    the dam its around 40 CFS and below dam it is about 200-300 CFS. there are
    some spots ive found for wading. if you are both good with covering water
    then you can hit a variety of spots on the jackson in a day. i live out by
    winchester and can get down there in abou 3 hours. if you end up down
    there and want some other advice, hit me up dannytbarrett@gmail.com. i
    spent my entire spring break in that part of the state. 7 days and never
    fished the same part of river and almost fished a different river each day.
     
    Tight lines,
    Dan Barrett
     
    dannytbarrett@gmail.com
    (540)-222-8064
     
     
    On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Huntington <
     
    "Eric Y." <theericyoung@gmail.com> Aug 27 11:37AM -0700  

    The Jackson is my homewater and it is a good trout fishery. There is a ton
    of good wading below the dam in the tailwaters, however, if you aren't up
    on your knowledge of the what sections are okay to fish and what sections
    aren't, I'd suggest doing a good amount of research before you go wandering
    down the river. There are some major landowner rights issues on the Jackson
    and you can find yourself in a lot of legal trouble if you don't respect
    them. Several landowners have brought hefty suits against anglers on the
    Jackson in recent years and, if history is any indication, you will lose
    that battle. That said, since it is just one day, you'll find plenty of
    trout in the tailwater immediately below the dam - more than enough water
    to keep you entertained for a day.
     
    On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:17:11 PM UTC-4, Danny Barrett wrote:
     
    Steve <dubblehaul@waywardangler.com> Aug 27 06:45PM -0400  

    Damn King George law. How is it above the lake? I understand you can backpack/camp along that section.
     
     
    "Eric Y." <theericyoung@gmail.com> Aug 27 05:34PM -0700  

    Above the lake is the same situation with regard to landowner rights.
    Usually fishing is a bit harder there, but you have the chance to catch
    monsters and the average fish is probably a bit larger, whereas below the
    dam 22" is the limit, based on a quick survey of my fishing buddies there,
    and the average catch is in the 12-14" range. I had a professor in college
    who was an ichthyologist and loved the Jackson. He only fished above the
    lake and had many pictures of 26"+ fish from the section (albeit, collected
    over several decades, I'm sure). They also have a small population of
    steelhead that were stocked into the lake and run up the river every year.
    I've seen pictures, but never met anyone who's caught one/witnessed one
    caught, so I wouldn't plan a big trip around that knowledge, but it is an
    exciting proposition.
     
    On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:45:15 PM UTC-4, dubblehaul wrote:
     
    Nick F - Gaucho Fly <nfranzetti@gmail.com> Aug 27 06:36AM -0700  

    Campsite was terrible. A rocky beach we found as the sun was setting. . We just winged it
     
    Steve <dubblehaul@waywardangler.com> Aug 27 06:41PM -0400  

    That's too bad. Hammock camping might be an option, one with an intergraded bug net and rainfly perhaps?
     
     
    peter odell <peterlodell@gmail.com> Aug 27 05:48AM -0700  

    Depending on which river you float in Oregon, you may need the slippery
    rock wading practice. The Deschutes, famous in Sept/October for steelhead,
    doesn't allow you to fish out of a boat at all (weird) while other rivers
    are okay with it.

    One easy way to be effective is to literally cast upstream with one stroke
    - the current will load the rod, and if you lower it to the water and throw
    it back upstream without a false cast, you can get great distance and avoid
    tangles if you are using a 2 fly rig. Just watch out as you are getting
    ready, I've had some awesome strikes from both trout and steelhead when the
    fly is just "hanging down" in the current. I've taught several newbies how
    to do this and they have done well.
     
     
    TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> Aug 27 06:44AM -0700  

    Peter -- I believe that is known as "water boarding". I use it all the
    time with heavy flies, nymph rigs, and even sometimes when it is extremely
    windy. Patience seems to be the key to doing it well.
     
    Gene
     
    On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:48:48 AM UTC-4, peter odell wrote:
     
    Nfranzetti <nfranzetti@gmail.com> Aug 27 09:43AM -0400  

    Senor Denito. Check out riverfront campground in Duncannon PA. They rent canoes cheap and run a shuttle service up river. Can't go wrong. Now is a great time to go.
     
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Pike/Musky

I'd love to get into some pike too.  Tried my hand up in Maine a few weeks ago, but struck out.  Maybe too big of a lake for my canoe...

I've talked to folks at burke lake who have caught musky there, but they did it by trolling trout-sized crankbaits behind their boat while they were bass fishing.  Musky hits were really few and far in between.


On Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:30:03 PM UTC-4, Eric Y. wrote:
James and New river from headwaters of the James down and the new out around Blacksburg have some big girls in there. Lake Burke has musky (though I'm not sure if it is viable on fly there - never even seen the lake) and the Occoquan Reservoir has pike, but, again, I don't know much beyond that basic fact.

On Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:11:29 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:
I've been told by some of the Shenandoah area guides that the muskies tend not to travel very far from stocking locations. The Front Royal location is one I've heard of being good, as well as around Luray. 


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, samuel newcomer <samueln...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Gang,
With Fall right around the corner, I was hoping to put some Pike/Musky trips on the calendar. I have heard of some good spots North of Fort Royal and then at the New River in the South West.  Just wondering if anyone has some info on anywhere else.
-Sam

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Pike/Musky

James and New river from headwaters of the James down and the new out around Blacksburg have some big girls in there. Lake Burke has musky (though I'm not sure if it is viable on fly there - never even seen the lake) and the Occoquan Reservoir has pike, but, again, I don't know much beyond that basic fact.

On Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:11:29 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:
I've been told by some of the Shenandoah area guides that the muskies tend not to travel very far from stocking locations. The Front Royal location is one I've heard of being good, as well as around Luray. 


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM, samuel newcomer <samueln...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Gang,
With Fall right around the corner, I was hoping to put some Pike/Musky trips on the calendar. I have heard of some good spots North of Fort Royal and then at the New River in the South West.  Just wondering if anyone has some info on anywhere else.
-Sam

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Thomas, WV

Nice fish, where was that, if you don't mind me asking? I'm still looking for my first before the end of the year.

On Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:22:05 AM UTC-4, pjroethe wrote:
Anyone ever hit the streams around Thomas or Davis, WV?  Heading there this weekend after the WV football game for some brews and tunes and looking to wet some lines.  Also, any info on the Cheat River outside of Morgantown?  Any help is great--just looking for a place to go.  Thanks.  Also--caught my first Snake last weekend!

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Snakeheads - too many or too few?

Little Serow is the best snakehead in town and they've had it almost every time I've been. Only downside is they don't take reservations. 

On Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:55:35 PM UTC-4, Danny Barrett wrote:
ive had it had in my house a few times. great dinner.  just put some fried rice with it

Thanks,

Dan Barrett
 
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On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Scott Stankus <ssta...@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting article about local restaurants' inability to keep up with the demand for serving Snakeheads:


So I ask - how many here have eaten Snakehead? Have you had it in a restaurant? Have you prepared it at home?

Though I've tried on multiple occasions, I haven't been able to find a restaurant that's had it in stock when I was there. So I've only had it once - at the Snakehead tournament earlier this year. 

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