Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Massive schools of fish in 4MR

I was out for a couple hours today first at Gravelly Point, then at Four Mile Run. I was have never seen the water so clear at either location. I was amazed. I also found it to be really low, even though I was out shortly after high tide. 

I saw schools (at least a hundred fish in one - and an 18" LMB following) of Gizzard Shad at 4MR, but the battery in the camera was dead, so I didn't get to film them. I did get a fun compilation of Bluegills, though:

https://vimeo.com/50499300

Also, can anyone identify the little fish in this video? Sculpin? Some kind of Dace?

https://vimeo.com/5049260

Attached is a photo of the only fish I caught all day. What a fun fight!

--Scott

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> wrote:

I was out at 4MR today at low tide and saw two things that I had never seen before.

1st - fishing at the sewage outflow all of a sudden gizzard shad started to explode out of the water in all directions. It looked like salmon trying to jump a waterfall. Then as soon as it started, they all vanished. I can confirm they are gizzards as I saw one foul hooked yesterday.

2nd - a few minutes later something strange popped up out of the water. Not a doodie. It moved toward shore. It turned out to be a good sized brown water snake with a good sized bluegill in its mouth. I got my iphone up to it to record some video before it spit it out. I then slipped and filled my waders. I got lucky with the phone. Time to get a lifeproof case. And about the worries of putting a tippet in mouth after its been in the water, I'm pretty sure I ingested some of the 4MR and have not had any issues so far.

Found an AAA card and another credit card today out there.

On Monday, September 24, 2012 10:39:19 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:

I went out to 4 Mile Run yesterday afternoon with my friend. We had mild success - a few largemouths and sunfish, but nothing of size. I did, however, see one giant largemouth (at least 5 lbs, conservatively) right next to the treatment plant discharge and three needlefish that kept chasing my fly. The most interesting thing I saw were massive schools of fish swimming around. These fish numbered in the hundreds, if not thousands, all in the area of the discharge. I'm not sure what they were, but they appeared to be silvery and looked like shad. They were all about 6 inches, but every once in a while I'd see a loner that was 10 or 12 inches. They completely ignored any fly (although I wasn't really trying for them except for three casts with a nymph), and seemed like they were simply displacing any fish that would normally be there. Any thoughts on what these could have been? Lane actually foul hooked one and got a picture, so hopefully he can post it for confirmation. He said it was very slimy if that gives any clues...

Jeff

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Spotted Bluegill "poachers" ?

I worked for DDOE in the water quality division for 2 years before landing my current job and I asked the DC fisheries biologists (who work out of the Anacostia Rec Center (AREC) about who enforces fishing regulations.  They, to the man, had no idea who would actually enforce the regs.  I suspect NPS might enforce the regs in certain locations, particuarly near the Tidal Basin....but I would guess that few if any of them actually know what the DC regs actually are. 

 

With most things in government, if it is not explicitly stated in the regs.....they can't really enforce anything.  So unless chumming is actually prohibited, there's virtually no chance that someone citing you for chumming in DC would hold up.  I've never chummed in DC, but I've never read that it is prohibited so I would assume it's acceptable. 

 

For bluegill I assume the same applies.  Though I would not eat any fish captured anywhere in the area. 

 

This makes me wonder about the general fly fisherman "catch and release" practice vs. the reality that population management can be a better overall approach to the health of the water.....

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:26:28 PM UTC-4, Senor_denito wrote:

Michael,

That reply was much appreciated and interesting.  Any other literature or sources of information on game fish in this area, you would recommend? 

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:45:31 PM UTC-4, Senor_denito wrote:

I was really disturbed at seeing a group of three plucking loads of bluegill out from the Tidal Basin on makeshift short wooden rods.  I think they "chummed" the water.  Anyway I am not one to profile but they could have been of middle eastern / asian descent.  As a blue gill was plucked out from the water it was slapped into a ziplock bag full of 20 plus bluegills. 

 I'm not sure if this is considered poaching but two large ziplock bags full of bluegills did not seem right at all.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Spotted Bluegill "poachers" ?

Michael,

That reply was much appreciated and interesting.  Any other literature or sources of information on game fish in this area, you would recommend? 

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:45:31 PM UTC-4, Senor_denito wrote:

I was really disturbed at seeing a group of three plucking loads of bluegill out from the Tidal Basin on makeshift short wooden rods.  I think they "chummed" the water.  Anyway I am not one to profile but they could have been of middle eastern / asian descent.  As a blue gill was plucked out from the water it was slapped into a ziplock bag full of 20 plus bluegills. 

 I'm not sure if this is considered poaching but two large ziplock bags full of bluegills did not seem right at all.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Spotted Bluegill "poachers" ?

John Gierach wrote a similar story in "Death, Taxes, and Leaky Waders" about a Vietnamese Community doing the exact same thing in one of his local ponds (keeping tons of bluegills) and he being asked to investigate because he was a stringer reporter for the outdoors column for a local newspaper.

"After a few phone calls and a little footwork, I came up with the following information:

"A. None of these people were willing to risk their pending citizenship by getting busted for anything, least of all poaching fish.

"B. They were keeping crappies, bluegills, and bullheads, and a legal combined limit for a family of five consisted of 400 fish, or "buckets" of them, if you prefer.

"C. A fisheries biologist said that removing small panfish in those numbers (they kept everything they caught, no matter how small) could only help the overall gamefish population.  That's why the limits were so generous in the first place.

"D. The Vietnamese turned out to be friendly, polite, and damned good fishermen, putting many of us native Americans to shame on all three accounts.

"And E.  When you look into a bowl of Vietnamese fish stew, it looks back at you."

Ref:

http://books.google.com/books?id=VL53coCVfscC&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq=john+gierach+bluegills+vietnamese

VA limit/day is 50 bluegills, no size limit.

http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/fishing/regulations/creelandlengthlimits.pdf

Maryland says 15/day (under "sunfish") and no minimum length:

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/regulations/table.asp?c=recreational

From what I can tell, DC doesn't even consider bluegill to be game fish.

http://ddoe.dc.gov/page/dc-fish-field-guide

Chumming is not addressed in the DC regs (actually, not much is in the regs).  Anybody have additional info/insight, or is DC just the lawless third world that we all know and love?

http://ddoe.dc.gov/service/regulated-fishing-activities

Yes, I'm a total LulzKiller.  =)

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Spotted Bluegill "poachers" ?

I was really disturbed at seeing a group of three plucking loads of bluegill out from the Tidal Basin on makeshift short wooden rods.  I think they "chummed" the water.  Anyway I am not one to profile but they could have been of middle eastern / asian descent.  As a blue gill was plucked out from the water it was slapped into a ziplock bag full of 20 plus bluegills. 

 I'm not sure if this is considered poaching but two large ziplock bags full of bluegills did not seem right at all.

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Spotted Bluegill "poachers" ?

I was really disturbed at seeing a group of three plucking loads of bluegill out from the Tidal Basin on makeshift short wooden rods.  I think they "chummed" the water.  Anyway I am not one to profile but they could have been of middle eastern / asian descent.  As a blue gill was plucked out from the water it was slapped into a ziplock bag full of 20 plus bluegills. 

 I'm not sure if this is considered poaching but two large ziplock bags full of bluegills did not seem right at all.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Personal "bests"

Has anyone managed to catch the Gizzard shad?  Are they hang over from migration in May/April?

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Jeff Silvan <jeffreysilvan@gmail.com> wrote:

Went out to the Potomac today just up river of Chain Bridge (I call it the landing pad) this afternoon and managed to set a couple personal bests... Smallest fish I've ever caught (picture attached), then a striped bass which is my first from the Potomac, but also happened to be the smallest striper I've ever caught (about 6 inches). The striper took a yellow boogle bug. A kayaker going by told me some guys caught some 3 lb stripers up by Old Anglers, but I'm guessing they weren't actually stripers up there. There were tons of gizzard shad out again, but much bigger than the ones I posted about in 4MR. These were nearly all 12-14" with some pushing 16 inches. They're really seeming to displace other fish - even the sunfish that always hang around in the little pools between the rocks.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Massive schools of fish in 4MR

I was out at 4MR today at low tide and saw two things that I had never seen before.

1st - fishing at the sewage outflow all of a sudden gizzard shad started to explode out of the water in all directions. It looked like salmon trying to jump a waterfall. Then as soon as it started, they all vanished. I can confirm they are gizzards as I saw one foul hooked yesterday.

2nd - a few minutes later something strange popped up out of the water. Not a doodie. It moved toward shore. It turned out to be a good sized brown water snake with a good sized bluegill in its mouth. I got my iphone up to it to record some video before it spit it out. I then slipped and filled my waders. I got lucky with the phone. Time to get a lifeproof case. And about the worries of putting a tippet in mouth after its been in the water, I'm pretty sure I ingested some of the 4MR and have not had any issues so far.

Found an AAA card and another credit card today out there.

On Monday, September 24, 2012 10:39:19 AM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:

I went out to 4 Mile Run yesterday afternoon with my friend. We had mild success - a few largemouths and sunfish, but nothing of size. I did, however, see one giant largemouth (at least 5 lbs, conservatively) right next to the treatment plant discharge and three needlefish that kept chasing my fly. The most interesting thing I saw were massive schools of fish swimming around. These fish numbered in the hundreds, if not thousands, all in the area of the discharge. I'm not sure what they were, but they appeared to be silvery and looked like shad. They were all about 6 inches, but every once in a while I'd see a loner that was 10 or 12 inches. They completely ignored any fly (although I wasn't really trying for them except for three casts with a nymph), and seemed like they were simply displacing any fish that would normally be there. Any thoughts on what these could have been? Lane actually foul hooked one and got a picture, so hopefully he can post it for confirmation. He said it was very slimy if that gives any clues...

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Any Day Now.....

I am going to hit dogue, pohick and pomonkey in the am. I will let you know how it went

On Friday, September 28, 2012, HeaveToo wrote:

I am guessing that this rain will blow out the river for this weekend.  I was thinking about chasing some stripers at Gravelly Point on Sunday too.  I wonder if it will be poor conditions.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Tidal Basin Night Fishing

Thats a largemouth bass and a nice channel catfish.

On Sep 28, 11:45 pm, Senor_denito <feliciano....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fished the tidal basin at night this week.  Ran into this channel catfish
> who forced me to palm my reel the other night.  Also ran into this
> smallmouth bass who took me by surprise and gave me a nice run.
>
> So far I'm loving it out here
>
>  IMG_20120928_215729.jpg
> 44KViewDownload
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>  IMG_20120926_205304.jpg
> 94KViewDownload

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Tidal Basin Night Fishing

Very cool shot with the monument in the background. I've always heard
great things about night fishing but have always been afraid to try
it, especially with fly equipment. Great fish!

On Sep 28, 11:45 pm, Senor_denito <feliciano....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fished the tidal basin at night this week.  Ran into this channel catfish
> who forced me to palm my reel the other night.  Also ran into this
> smallmouth bass who took me by surprise and gave me a nice run.
>
> So far I'm loving it out here
>
>  IMG_20120928_215729.jpg
> 44KViewDownload
>
>  IMG_20120926_205304.jpg
> 94KViewDownload

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Personal "bests"

Ha, Rob, you got it. It looked like a just finished teaching a preteen girl arts and craft class.

On Friday, September 28, 2012 8:06:33 PM UTC-4, Rob Snowhite wrote:

Nice baby shad pictured.  Did the scales come off on your hand like glitter? 

Sent from my iPod

On Sep 28, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Jeff Silvan <jeffre...@gmail.com> wrote:

Went out to the Potomac today just up river of Chain Bridge (I call it the landing pad) this afternoon and managed to set a couple personal bests... Smallest fish I've ever caught (picture attached), then a striped bass which is my first from the Potomac, but also happened to be the smallest striper I've ever caught (about 6 inches). The striper took a yellow boogle bug. A kayaker going by told me some guys caught some 3 lb stripers up by Old Anglers, but I'm guessing they weren't actually stripers up there. There were tons of gizzard shad out again, but much bigger than the ones I posted about in 4MR. These were nearly all 12-14" with some pushing 16 inches. They're really seeming to displace other fish - even the sunfish that always hang around in the little pools between the rocks.

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RE: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} I'm new here

Welcome to the group!  Refreshing to see someone write The Bronx.  Thought I was the only one down here.  Where’d you move from?  Guessing you fished often from City Island/Orchard if you’re a tin/plug fisherman in the Bx.

I live a couple of minutes from the Tidal Basin.  I usually don’t get there until 6 or later after leaving the fly shop here in Old Town, but shoot me an e-mail if you’re ever heading there..  maybe will meet up and BS a bit.

 

 

 

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} I'm new here

 

Hey everyone I recently moved down here to (Maryland, Wheaton area) and just really got into fly fishing.  I moved here from The Bronx, NY where I spin fished with plugs and tins for stripers and blues, so I am not new to Urban Angling.

 

Anyway I left my spinning rod back in NYC and made the transition to the fly.  Its such a better experience.  I am really stoked to be out here and want to thank Trent at Orvis in Bethesda for all the help.  

 

I'm trying to meet some new people who are down to fish.  I fish after work (after 5) on weekdays at the tidal basin.  Looking to explore some more spots soon.  Possibly Pine Lake up here in Wheaton this weekend.

 

 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: I'm new here

Welcome!  I'm new myself and really love this forum -- there are so great local fly fishermen in the area and they're extremely generous with their advice and help. 

 

I fish the VA side, but the whole area has some great spots.  Just make sure you check out the fly rodders map! 

 

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On Friday, September 28, 2012 11:37:42 PM UTC-4, Senor_denito wrote:

Hey everyone I recently moved down here to (Maryland, Wheaton area) and just really got into fly fishing.  I moved here from The Bronx, NY where I spin fished with plugs and tins for stripers and blues, so I am not new to Urban Angling.

Anyway I left my spinning rod back in NYC and made the transition to the fly.  Its such a better experience.  I am really stoked to be out here and want to thank Trent at Orvis in Bethesda for all the help.  

I'm trying to meet some new people who are down to fish.  I fish after work (after 5) on weekdays at the tidal basin.  Looking to explore some more spots soon.  Possibly Pine Lake up here in Wheaton this weekend.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Tidal Basin Night Fishing

Fished the tidal basin at night this week.  Ran into this channel catfish who forced me to palm my reel the other night.  Also ran into this smallmouth bass who took me by surprise and gave me a nice run.  

So far I'm loving it out here

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} I'm new here

Hey everyone I recently moved down here to (Maryland, Wheaton area) and just really got into fly fishing.  I moved here from The Bronx, NY where I spin fished with plugs and tins for stripers and blues, so I am not new to Urban Angling.

Anyway I left my spinning rod back in NYC and made the transition to the fly.  Its such a better experience.  I am really stoked to be out here and want to thank Trent at Orvis in Bethesda for all the help.  

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Personal "bests"

Nice blue and channel bait.  Well, after 4 seconds out of water they're mostly just channel bait.  ;)

On Friday, September 28, 2012 8:04:28 PM UTC-4, Jeff Silvan wrote:

Went out to the Potomac today just up river of Chain Bridge (I call it the landing pad) this afternoon and managed to set a couple personal bests... Smallest fish I've ever caught (picture attached), then a striped bass which is my first from the Potomac, but also happened to be the smallest striper I've ever caught (about 6 inches). The striper took a yellow boogle bug. A kayaker going by told me some guys caught some 3 lb stripers up by Old Anglers, but I'm guessing they weren't actually stripers up there. There were tons of gizzard shad out again, but much bigger than the ones I posted about in 4MR. These were nearly all 12-14" with some pushing 16 inches. They're really seeming to displace other fish - even the sunfish that always hang around in the little pools between the rocks.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Personal "bests"

Nice baby shad pictured.  Did the scales come off on your hand like glitter? 

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Went out to the Potomac today just up river of Chain Bridge (I call it the landing pad) this afternoon and managed to set a couple personal bests... Smallest fish I've ever caught (picture attached), then a striped bass which is my first from the Potomac, but also happened to be the smallest striper I've ever caught (about 6 inches). The striper took a yellow boogle bug. A kayaker going by told me some guys caught some 3 lb stripers up by Old Anglers, but I'm guessing they weren't actually stripers up there. There were tons of gizzard shad out again, but much bigger than the ones I posted about in 4MR. These were nearly all 12-14" with some pushing 16 inches. They're really seeming to displace other fish - even the sunfish that always hang around in the little pools between the rocks.

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Went out to the Potomac today just up river of Chain Bridge (I call it the landing pad) this afternoon and managed to set a couple personal bests... Smallest fish I've ever caught (picture attached), then a striped bass which is my first from the Potomac, but also happened to be the smallest striper I've ever caught (about 6 inches). The striper took a yellow boogle bug. A kayaker going by told me some guys caught some 3 lb stripers up by Old Anglers, but I'm guessing they weren't actually stripers up there. There were tons of gizzard shad out again, but much bigger than the ones I posted about in 4MR. These were nearly all 12-14" with some pushing 16 inches. They're really seeming to displace other fish - even the sunfish that always hang around in the little pools between the rocks.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Strip basket

I roll with a camelbak these days... Carries my hydration and my gear

As for a stripping basket... You can make a fully functional one two bungee chords and a plastic bin from Walmart... Super cheap and totally customized for your desires... Doubles as a good way to store our stuff in the car while in transit... Honestly though, no need for a stripping basket unless you're bombing with some serious amounts of line... In Hawaii I used one religiously, but that was because line control is essential in both long shots and getting a 7 lb bonefish on the reel successfully

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