Thursday, December 3, 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} New to the area

Minor dissent: Tenkara can be somewhat prone to tangles on the really small brookie stream, or at least I feel like they tangle a bit more on the smaller streams. That said, the Gunpowder is an excellent place to fish Tenkara.

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 11:27:56 AM UTC-5 Carl wrote:
Within a couple of hours, there are good trout waters.
  • Shenandoah National Park for brookies and hike in fishing
  • Gunpowder River in MD
  • Beaver Creek in MD
  • Carlisle PA (Yellow Breeches, Big Spring, LeTort) 
  • Mossy Creek VA
Be aware that PA doesn't treat a Tenkara rod as a fly rod, you probably won't get a ticket in fly fishing only waters, but it's a possibility.  And there is a lot of non-flyfish only water.

And for panfish, many of the creeks that run into the potomac would be great with Tenkara.
They call these "Stream Valley Parks" and a basically the land around all the gullies in the area.  The biggest of which is Rock Creek Park, but you should be able to find one anywhere west of Rock Creek (the eastern side of DC is Tidal and flat)

Warm water fishing has slowed down a bit for the season and the 8wt is a bit on the heavy side for all but the biggest fish. 

Carl

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On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 12:04 AM Yambag Nelson <northstreet...@gmail.com> wrote:
8 weight is fine for stripers but maybe a hair overkill for the schoolie size fish that will be what you primarily catch on the potomac.  

For flies you don't need anything other than clousers.  Chartreuse and white or just plain white are all i use.  High outgoing tides, particularly where there is inflow coming into the river is what you want to look for.  Low light conditions are best.  So unless it is raining, that means dusk/dark or very early.  I use a six weight with an intermediate line but you can get away with everything from a floating line to full sinking lines.  

Big fish run up the potomac in the spring but are very difficult to catch on flies.  The vast majority that are reasonably targeted are schoolies ranging from 12-18 inches, occasionally a bigger one will show up.  

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 11:06:16 AM UTC-5 James M. wrote:
Hi Jefferson,

Welcome! if you've got a car, a great and inexpensive place to start hunting for trout with a tenkara would be shenandoah national park (if you have a car or a fishing buddy with one).  basically, get a map of the middle section of the park (Appalachian Trail map #10 is the best one i think), pick a blue line, and go - most streams have a trail running alongside them.  A good place to the start would be the bottom of the rapidan by wolftown and work your way up the trail - you might have to scramble a bit.  However, the brook trout there are native, and about to spawn, so I would check the fishing report from Murray's or elsewhere before you go to be sure you're not disturbing them.  there are some stocked streams elsewhere with rainbows - check the maryland and virginia departments of game/inland fisheries for stocking schedules and locations.  Anytime from March to May is pretty much going to be your go-to time for native trout, with stocked streams dependent on each state's stocking schedule.

As for an 8wt, that's pretty much the perfect size for the tidal basin.  with the warmer weather recently, i bet the fishing is great over there.  And you don't have to just target stripers - there are largemouth, cats, snakehead, and i think (?) there might even be smallies a bit upriver by chain bridge.  We're really lucky with all the species we've got here in the area.  Just swing a wooly bugger, clouser minnow, damsel nymph, or deceiver that's appropriate for an 8wt line and you'll likely hook up with something.  You can even fish the tidal basin right off the monuments with a DC license - you won't get that experience anywhere else. Check out anything by lefty kreh on fly fishing for warmwater species.  He loved fishing for bass on the fly and wrote a ton about it.

Does your 8wt have a shooting head on it (you mentioned salmon and alaska), or are you using weight forward floating line? WFF or sink tip will probably be the best for the water around here, if you've got it.  

In March/April is the shad run.  If you're familiar with salmon, it's kind of the same thing - american and hickory shad are andromous, and in spring they come back up the potomac and rappahannock to spawn.  It's the big fishing event in DC, and your 8wt will work perfectly.  Shad darts are really simple flies also, and i hear they are easy to tie if you tie.

Best of luck and have a blast.  

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 3:51 PM Jefferson Harris <jefferson....@gmail.com> wrote:
The Orvis guy at Clarendon told me about this group. I imagine the stuff I have most likely would be fine here (8 wt and above) at least as far as something like stripers go. The thing is, I've never fished for, much less fly fished for stripers. I am sure it is safe to say I do not know what I am doing. Most of the gear I have is set up for kings and silvers on the Kenai (or some more grimier 12 wt. stuff for Ship Creek) in Alaska. And mostly that's just catching fish more than it is fishing for fish if that makes sense. 

For trout, I like using a longer fast action tenkara rod that's probably better with shallow fast moving water. 

Any help on where there might be shallow fast moving water where's there's trout and the times of year or anything--any insight into how to catch stripers with a fly rod, i.e., kinds of line, size of hooks, flies, where, how, etc., would be appreciated. 

v/r
Jefferson 

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