Monday, November 26, 2012

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Shenandoah Trout Spawn

I'm pretty new here - but if our #1 concern in fly fishing is conservation, shouldn't we just take up photography instead of fishing?  I'm being sincere -- because I've heard and read a lot of folks talking about stuff like catch and release being "for the fish", etc. and I don't understand it.  When I fish (which is 100% catch and release) it's totally for me, not the fish or the environment or anything of the sort...and I'm fine with that.  I enjoy fishing for a lot of indirect reasons just like everyone else (spending time with spouse, family, peace, being outdoors, seeing wildlife, etc.) but I definitely enjoy the sport of actually catching fish and I can't convince myself that this is a conservation effort.  Are rainbows/browns even native to the streams that we shouldn't hot-spot?  Ring-necked pheasants are not, so nymphing trout streams in the NE could very well be the equivalent of using an exotic feather to catch an exotic fish.  

I respect the opinions here -- this is a great forum and I've learned a lot from it.  I just find this all to be incredibly arbitrary.  Unless the genuine reason is "I had to struggle to find fishing spots and therefore so should everyone else" which I'm not sure I agree or disagree.  I'm definitely not looking for the "minute rice" answer so I can catch a huge fish on my first trip to an area....and I spend almost all of my free time either fishing or working on my casts.  

Since I don't care a thing about trout this may not matter since I suspect trout streams are the ones that people will get upset about......but I plan to continue to at least provide help (for what it's worth coming from me) that I think will help someone else have a good time on the water like I did/do.  I don't see harm in it.  

Gene

On Monday, November 26, 2012 2:50:30 PM UTC-5, Brendan wrote:
The problem is we're in an area with a very small number of decent fisheries, much less ones with reproducing populations, so promoting certain ones to a board of several hundred fishermen is irresponsible if not b/c of some fisherman's code, then purely for conservation purposes. Especially when the place mentioned has only about 1.5 miles of very skinny water that's already over-pressured. 

While I appreciate the slight in your closing sentence, having fished, hiked, explored and photographed this area for 20 years, i'm pretty sure i could out almost everyone's favorite secret spots on public lands and most private lands within 3 hours of dc. And so could several others on this board...which is why if we want an exchange of information, we should respect everyone's best interest and the conservation of wild trout.  I've researched my way to almost a dozen 'secret' streams, springs and sections that aren't in any guidebook, forum or blog, from Harrisburg to harrisonburg and out to the potomac highlands, all found through books, maps, hikes, digging through environmental studies, getting lost on poorly marked forest roads and dozens of fishless adventures. In spite of the cost of gas, still recommend that method over handouts and we should be promoting those resources such as USGS, DGIF & DNR sites, eastern brook trout venture, biology reports, google maps, blogs,, to people interested in getting into the sport. If you make some friends along the way that you trade a spot or two with in exchange for somewhere else, that's great... but a massive and public forum is not the place to promote small streams. Discuss heavily stocked put and take streams -- I highly encourage posts and promotions of places like passage creek or accotink both of which are great places to learn and catch decent sized trout for the first time. 

But, with the exception of environmental and regulatory threats of which there are many to this stream and others in the area, can we please not discuss/promote small bodies of water that rely heavily on natural reproduction???  




On Monday, November 26, 2012 6:57:19 AM UTC-5, Matthew Longley wrote:
I follow another (non-local) FF forum where no one shares ANY location information (seriously one guy uses photoshop to blur the background of pictures), but TPFR is pretty open about sharing information about commonly fished waters and techniques in the area, and I think the community is better off for it.  Now if you hike 10 miles into some gorgeous hole with more trout than water and don't want if revealed, that's one thing, but I think Big Hunting Creek falls into the public knowledge trust at this point.  If that's your secret fishing spot, well you haven't been trying hard enough.



On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:27 PM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, I see.  I actually punched in "hotspotting" into the search engine (not knowing what it really meant) and found that one really long, detailed thread about this subject that happened before I was a member here.  It looks like there are opinions across the spectrum, and I respect that.  I just wanted to make sure that if I found something that worked well and chose to share it, that it was totally fine by forum rules.  It looks like it is -- so I'm good to go.  

On the more dry, sarcastic side that I tend to favor, it would be fun if trip reports read like this:

Step 1 - Enter the stream at the outfall and walk 14 1/2 steps toward the spillway.  
Step 2 - Overhead cast #4 black bead woolly bugger into the seam and strip in line as fly feeds toward you.
Step 3 - After 8 seconds of drift, set the hook and a bass will be on it. 

Lol.  Kinda like an instruction manual to The Legend of Zelda or something.  

Gene


On Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:11:33 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
It's an open forum.  My opinion is If you have a place  and want to keep it private, you can. If you want to share a place, tip etc that's fine too.

I try and share pretty much everything.

John


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On Nov 25, 2012, at 6:31 PM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Okay, so don't post specific locations and what flies we've used that were successful?  Gosh, I pretty much tell everyone everything since I'm new and don't really have a handle on all of this yet.  

Is this a board/club rule, or just an individual preference?  

Gene

On Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:27:41 PM UTC-5, Vietfisher wrote:
Actually, hot spotting and specific locations has led the largest fish I have ever caught on the fly! 

Please keep it up!


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On Nov 25, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Brendan <brenda...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can we please stop posting crap like this... ???

fine with general areas, techniques, large bodies of water, whatever... but listing specific streams is bs. 

On Monday, October 15, 2012 2:40:00 PM UTC-4, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Big hunting creek is a gem in winter. 

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On Oct 15, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Dalton Terrell <daltonb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Gunpowder, North Branch of the Potomac, and the Savage are all a bit closer than the Jackson. 

On Monday, October 15, 2012 1:32:30 PM UTC-4, Danny Barrett wrote:
What tailwaters are around DC other then the Jackson ?

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Dalton Terrell <daltonb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Matthew and others,

I have fished December through February in the park the past couple years. It has been said here before that the after the spawn is over, the eggs still need time to develop in the redds and that we shouldn't wade the streams until after new years. With this in mind, Trent and I have both hit the park in December and early January without waders, only rock hopping or fishing the pools available from the bank. Fishing can be OK this time of year, but don't expect fish to come up for dries. Think about throwing streamers in bigger holes or nymphs in the smaller ones. 

WIth this being said, I would recommend taking your dad to one of the tailwaters instead, they won't be quite as scenic or wild but the fishing should be much better than Shenandoah National Park; if you can postpone to April I would definitely recommend SNP. I also had my dad out in Shenandoah a few weeks ago, water was super low and I certainly wished I would've picked somewhere different.

Dalton

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