Thursday, August 13, 2020

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} MURRAY'S MTN TROUT ROD

Both of those rods are rather fast for that style of fishing. I prefer a slower rod with a delayed presentation than a fast rod with a whip like forward cast and fast presentation. The Butter stick, OlD Orvis superfine 3wt Tippett, blue halo, TFO big launcher, or similar. 

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On Aug 13, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Lisa Stewart <stewartlisa48@gmail.com> wrote:


Ok, had to look up vedavoo stuff, and figured out patagucci! 😂  Neither one will I buy.  thanks for the input, I'll report back on my choice tomorrow, if I make a choice.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 8:04 PM James McCeney <jmcceney@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds good. A similar rod I use in the park on certain streams is the old orvis superfine carbon 8' 4wt, but that's discontinued. The superfine carbon was similar to the Scott G for half the price- orvis never came out with new slower rods to replace that line, which is a shame because they were outstanding (and sound exactly like what you're after).

I had a recon 9' 5wt that was a spectacular rod, and I still have a great 8wt for the shad run. My guess is the 3wt will have enough tip strength to let you roll cast well, plus you can use the tried and true SNP tactic of dangling a longer rod (7'6" in your case) out from hiding behind a tree and catching a drift. The recon is kind of fast and will punch way above its weight, so you might could even use it for bass if you were in a pinch. Perfect bluegill rod too. I love orvis stuff, and wouldn't hesitate to get the recon. You can use the extra $300 on a new vedavoo pack or some patagucci wading boots (or both) for hiking up those trails. I've never cast the radian though, so I'm no help there unfortunately.

Good luck

- James

On Aug 13, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Lisa Stewart <stewartlisa48@gmail.com> wrote:


Thanks James,
Your info did help a lot. I've been doing a lot of reading and talking to fly shop owners today, and I've decided that a 7'6" rod is more of what I'm looking for because of the line control it offers, and better roll casting ability, which I do a lot of in tight spots.  Because I already own a Hardy Sirrus 7'6" 4wt which is their glass hybrid, now I'm looking for a graphite 7'6" 3wt for those close brookie streams where the 4wt is a bit much.  I'm looking for something that will softly land a dry fly and also swing a small streamer or nymph.  The t orvis recon 7'6" 3wt looks like a good candidate and its a good price, and the Scott Radian also looks great but is considerably more expensive.  Any thoughts on this are welcome.


On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 5:00 PM James McCeney <jmcceney@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, I rarely post on here but I think I've got some relevant info. I've never cast murrays graphite mountain rod, but I'm fairly certain it's based on the original G series blank. A lot of people swear by that blank - it was in production for like 20 years I think- and were upset when it changed to the G2, and then evolved into the new G series. It's one of the most popular series of rods in the history of trout fishing- even if it's old tech, you can't go wrong in my opinion. G rods are on the slower side and very smooth with excellent feel and accuracy. Ive only cast 4 and 5wts, but they felt extremely nice- I have heard the 3wt is one of the standouts of the line.

 I was in the market for a park Brookie rod about 5 years ago and bought a new Scott F2 from Murray himself. I didn't bother casting his mountain rod because I was worried about durability in case I fell down a trail in the park- glass is a lot more resistant to trauma than graphite, and I'm not a graceful dude. The odd thing was, murray didn't push me towards his mountain rod, even though it was directly in the spec for what i was shopping for. Not sure if that helps you or not.

 If you haven't, I would recommend cross shopping the newer F series rods along with Murray's rod, if you like the feel of glass. It's not for everyone, but that 6'6" 3 weight is absolutely magical. 

- James

On Aug 13, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Lisa Stewart <stewartlisa398@gmail.com> wrote:


Thanks for the awesome insight on the rod.  I too think he is a wonderful source of information and gear that is targeted for the blue ridge and shenandoah streams.  I'm seriously considering buying one of his rods, but it seems a bit pricey for older tech. 


On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Chris Young <cdyoung8@gmail.com> wrote:
I have one. It's great. It's basically an old Scott G blank. Unlike a lot of other small stream rods, it has enough backbone to toss a hopper-dropper or even small streamer.

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