Tuesday, December 31, 2013

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} 2013 Fishing Report

Thanks to this group and abundant access to great fish-filled waters, I had a very fun and successful 2013. Hitting 4MR throughout the year provided the quick fix and never disappointed with LMB and the ever present panfish. I was fortunate to fish in some very exotic locations too.  I realized last year that one should NEVER leave home without a rod and reel. 

In Chang Mai, Thailand I landed few massive hybrid-catfish. At 80 lbs these might be the biggest fish I've ever landed from shore. The private pond was catch and release.  The method used to catch these monsters was to mash a baseball sized wad of bread onto a bread holder and embed the hook in the bread ball.  The fish would grab the ball and get the hook.  It took 15 to 20 minutes to land one. The pond was 15 minutes outside of town and once I found it, I spent all my free time going after these guys.     

I spent a bit of time looking for info in fishing the Niger River in Mali, but it seems the only people who fish it are people that need to fish it.  I brought my gear just in case.  I paid off a couple of kids to canoe me into some reeds where I caught some very small fish.  I did catch a very interesting fish that had a two inch spike the stuck out the top of its back.  It should be a clue to not walk barefoot in the river. I found a hotel that had a bar perched out over the river and I talked them into letting me fish while I drank beer.  I set up a Carolina Rig and waited.  After a few minute I saw the tip of my rod drop and set the hook.  I found hard, only to land a shirt. My second catch was a bag.  I think I will be back there again this next year and will bring a different selection of gear.  

My brother and I fished our way across Montana and Idaho for a few days in late August.  I got into some nice rainbows and cutthroat.  I caught something big out of the Salmon River, but I am not sure what they were.  They fought hard but once they were landed they didn't even struggle. Aside from the fishing the best part was the absence of a cell phone signal for 48 hours. No phone calls, no emails, no FB, nothing!  

I hit the reefs of Kona, Hawaii for a week with my family.  Reading up before I left, most people discouraged me from attempting to fly fish on the Big Island.  I brought my gear anyways.  I hooked into a barracuda and a blue trevally, but only landed a trumpet fish....imagine a silver clarinet that swims.  I picked up a cheap spinning combo at walmart and got a collection of reef fish.  My nephew would join me on the rocks to catch the sunrise and the fish.  He said it was the highlight of his trip.  

I closed out the year with a trip to a small pond in the woods of South Carolina.  My father-in-law pulled out a 9.5 lb LMB and I landed a few small ones.  

2013 was so amazing that it will be hard to beat. But I will try....

Happy New Year and Tight Lines

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Winter Pickerel from Shore...Locations?

I picked up this one on the Jackson River right below the dam a few years ago.  It took a #4 Woolly Bugger on 0X Fluorocarbon which held up fine to the teeth.  Truth be told, I was actually just bombing long casts into the deep tailrace pool hoping to score a Moby Trout, so I can't say I was targeting it.  Apparently, before the dam was built, the Jackson was a major Pickerel river.  Wish I could have fished it back then, but I suppose you always lose something to gain something.  Oh, and definitely watch the teeth!  I grabbed onto that fly to get it out and the fish snapped my finger and left a few perfect tooth holes which proceeded to bleed for the next hour or so.  Those suckers are quick!

Dan Davala


On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Jeffrey Silvan <jeffreysilvan@gmail.com> wrote:
It has been a very long time since I've targeted or caught pickerel, but I always used to catch them on baitfish imitations. I can't remember if I ever got one on the fly rod, but the spinning rod pickerel used to be on a slug-go (soft plastic) or rapalas. They're ambush predators, and will take just about anything a bass would take. I seem to remember the flashier the better for pickerel, so maybe try tying up some clousers with extra flash. They're almost always smaller than pike and musky (a 5 lb pickerel is VERY big, and the world record is around 9 lbs), but their teeth are still sharp. You don't NEED a steel leader, but I'd definitely consider a beefy shock tippet - maybe 20 lb. test, checked carefully after every fish.


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Any thoughts on flies for these bad boys?
Seems like they are normally smaller than most pike/ musky.  So medium bass poppers/ deer hair type flies in darker winter colors?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Best viewed on a larger monitor.

Dropped by Fletcher's today to see the angry river.  Alex happened to be there and pointed out that the prey fish were gathering.  This photo taken today is of the culvert going under the bridge to the Fletcher's parking lot.  Filled with water and minnows!


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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Winter Pickerel from Shore...Locations?

It has been a very long time since I've targeted or caught pickerel, but I always used to catch them on baitfish imitations. I can't remember if I ever got one on the fly rod, but the spinning rod pickerel used to be on a slug-go (soft plastic) or rapalas. They're ambush predators, and will take just about anything a bass would take. I seem to remember the flashier the better for pickerel, so maybe try tying up some clousers with extra flash. They're almost always smaller than pike and musky (a 5 lb pickerel is VERY big, and the world record is around 9 lbs), but their teeth are still sharp. You don't NEED a steel leader, but I'd definitely consider a beefy shock tippet - maybe 20 lb. test, checked carefully after every fish.


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Any thoughts on flies for these bad boys?
Seems like they are normally smaller than most pike/ musky.  So medium bass poppers/ deer hair type flies in darker winter colors?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Winter Pickerel from Shore...Locations?

Any thoughts on flies for these bad boys?
Seems like they are normally smaller than most pike/ musky.  So medium bass poppers/ deer hair type flies in darker winter colors?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Winter Pickerel from Shore...Locations?

I've been poking around for info on pickerel in the past couple days and I've found the same info on the Severn, South, and the Magothy.  I grew up on the South and my parents currently live on the Magothy.  If I can convince my father on putting the kayaks in the water, I might give it a shot in the next few weeks. I'll let you guys know if I have any luck. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Winter Pickerel from Shore...Locations?

Where are the Virginia Locations?  They interest me as I am always game to catch a new species on the fly!


On Friday, December 27, 2013 3:11:26 AM UTC-5, BruceC2C wrote:
Recent reading has Winter Pickerel on my radar.
Any suggestions for Shore/Wade fishing access options are appreciated.
Prefer Maryland/Delaware Water.
Thanks

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Winter Pickerel from Shore...Locations?

Good luck to you guys if you go. Make sure the water levels aren't too high and stained or it will be tough fishing. My kayak friend and his buddies have been catching them up in the Severn, South, and Magothy rivers for the last month or so pretty regularly but seems like you would need a boat up there. I would think any of the eastern shore mill ponds would have them too. Most of my pickerel spots are in Virginia so I cant help you too much other than the Tuckahoe idea. 

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Recent reading has Winter Pickerel on my radar.
Any suggestions for Shore/Wade fishing access options are appreciated.
Prefer Maryland/Delaware Water.
Thanks

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Winter Pickerel from Shore...Locations?

Bruce,
I like the idea of checking out Tuckahoe state park on the eastern side of MD.  send me an email (samuelnewcomer@gmail.com) and lets coordinate in the next couple of weeks.  
 

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Monday, December 30, 2013

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Winter SNP Fishing

Ditto -- my first (and largest) brook trout was on the Dry River last Feb in the cold.  Brassie or copper john...can't recall which - not that it matters. 
 
Gene

On Monday, December 30, 2013 12:30:17 PM UTC-6, Danny Barrett wrote:

Id hit the Rapidan.  And toss nymphs or small streamers. 

Dan

On Dec 30, 2013 8:50 AM, "Bruce Thomson" <thomso...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,

So I've got a little cousin who picked up some new gear for Xmas and is psyched to get out and use it. We were thinking of heading up to the SNP streams for some winter camping/fishing. Anyone have any thoughts or recommendations on fishing the park in Jan/Feb?  I know there are brookie spawning concerns in late-fall early-winter. Is that still something we need to bear in mind?

Thanks.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: It's all about presentation

Green Heron -- seen that one posted before, but it's a very cool video and worth posting again ;). 
 
All kinds of birds here in MO -- best so far are trumpeter swans laying in harvested corn fields.  Very pretty birds. 
 
Gene 
 

On Monday, December 30, 2013 1:07:21 PM UTC-6, BruceC2C wrote:
That is SO F- - -ING COOL !!!!!!
thx for post

On Monday, December 30, 2013 1:47:08 PM UTC-5, namfos wrote:
I've never witnessed this persistent presentation of the bait/lure among avian fauna, but I have seen it practiced by astream by Homo sapiens. ;-)

http://www.frequency.com/video/ever-seen-bird-fishing-using-bread-for/115035146


Mark

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fiberglass Rod Recommendations

I just wanted to thank everyone for their input on helping me pick out a rod and I am glad to see the thread has resulted in casting meet up. I wish I could be there but I will be in Birmingham Alabama this weekend to watch the might Vanderbilt Commodores take on Houston in the Compass bowl. For those curious, I ended up getting my Dad a Redington Butter Stick 3 wt. 7' with a 2/3 Drift reel and 3 wt Perception Fly Line to match. I never got the chance to cast any fiberglass rods, so I made my choice based on everyone's recommendations and relied heavily on the Fiberglass Manifesto website. I figured he could fish poppers for bluegill and work smaller streams for trout. One critical factor was the Butter Stick was the only one that I thought would be delievered by Christmas, unfortunately the fly shop my Dad and I use in Miami could not get one in time, so in the end I had to give him an IOU anyways. Still I think the anticipation fo it arriving in mid-January is kinda like having another Christmas day all over again.
 
Thanks again!
 

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 5:50:30 PM UTC-5, Art Friedlander wrote:
Great directions
See you all there

Art


On Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:10 PM, Vic Velasco <velasco...@gmail.com> wrote:
Type in "4 Mile Run Park" into Google Earth and the marker should be right on the soccer field.

The parking lot is off of Mt Vernon Ave on the East side of the road, just South of the S. Glebe Rd-Mt Vernon Ave intersection.  

When you park in the lot, you'll see a path that leads Eastward.  To your left is 4 Mile Run, to your right is the soccer field (inside the fenced in area).  Walk just passed the fenced in area and there is a wide open grass space.

Hope this helps.

Vic

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:53:31 PM UTC-5, Art Friedlander wrote:
Sounds like we have a plan.

9 AM next Saturday.  Is the consensus 4 Mile Run Park?  If so, can someone provide directions?
Thanks,
Art


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Carl Z. <carl....@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds good to me.

Can someone with connections bring one of the new Orvis rods?

I will bring:
  Fenwick FF60, FF75,  FL96-6, ff85
  Garcia Conlolon (at least one)
  Cortland FR-2000

McFarland brookie rod
(and if I can get it finished an 8' 3wt)

I might bring some old fiberglass dud's to remind us that there are some glass rods that are worth using as tomato stakes.

Carl


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Rob Snowhite <r...@robsnowhite.com> wrote:
I played with the new Orvis glass at Mad River Outfitters in Ohio the other day. Didn't like the feel, too stiff. Not aesthetically easing either. If you set it down you won't find it. 

Starbucks and Dunkin both off rte 1 at Potomac Yards. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Vic Velasco <velasco...@gmail.com> wrote:

4 January Fiberglass Casting

My suggestion is 4 Mile Run Park on the south side of the run, on Mt Vernon Ave (just South of the South Glebe Rd intersection).  On the East side of the soccer field, there is a large grassy area that should be fine for lawn casting.

You can also see the outfall from this spot, although it looks like the tide will be high around 9am.  Current forecast is for clear skies, but cold air temps.

Across Mt Vernon Ave is a strip mall, but unfortunately no Starbucks.  I think there are some Starbucks shops along US1 on the way in...

If someone has a better spot and it is a more central point for everyone, I'm game.  Fletcher's Cove, the National Mall, one of the parks in Fairfax County, the park at Jones Point Dr?  I just figured 4MR is most ubiquitous with the folks on this site.

I plan on bringing my 6'6" Dave Lewis 3/4wt, 7'2" Barclay Glass, and a few Japanese Tenkara rods (not fiberglass, but a lot slower than graphite).

Vic

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 4:13:10 PM UTC-5, Carl wrote:
Works for me.
I will bring a selection of rods.
9am?
Where?
A place with enough parking and open space would be best.
A close by Starbucks is a bonus.
On Dec 20, 2013 7:28 AM, "Art Friedlander" <just...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I could do Jan 4th


On Friday, December 20, 2013 7:11 AM, Vic Velasco <velasco...@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't make this Saturday either (the reason I was pitching the Saturday after Christmas).

From the responses here so far, I think both this Saturday and the following are out. 

Is Jan 4th a date that everyone can support?

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:37:07 PM UTC-5, Art Friedlander wrote:
Victor, Vic, Carl, John and others:
Who can come to a glass casting this Saturday at 9?
Do we have a quorum?
Art
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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: It's all about presentation

That is SO F- - -ING COOL !!!!!!
thx for post

On Monday, December 30, 2013 1:47:08 PM UTC-5, namfos wrote:
I've never witnessed this persistent presentation of the bait/lure among avian fauna, but I have seen it practiced by astream by Homo sapiens. ;-)

http://www.frequency.com/video/ever-seen-bird-fishing-using-bread-for/115035146


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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} It's all about presentation

I've never witnessed this persistent presentation of the bait/lure among avian fauna, but I have seen it practiced by astream by Homo sapiens. ;-)

http://www.frequency.com/video/ever-seen-bird-fishing-using-bread-for/115035146


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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Winter SNP Fishing

Id hit the Rapidan.  And toss nymphs or small streamers. 

Dan

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Hi everyone,

So I've got a little cousin who picked up some new gear for Xmas and is psyched to get out and use it. We were thinking of heading up to the SNP streams for some winter camping/fishing. Anyone have any thoughts or recommendations on fishing the park in Jan/Feb?  I know there are brookie spawning concerns in late-fall early-winter. Is that still something we need to bear in mind?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Winter Pickerel from Shore...Locations?

John & Samuel....Thank you both. 

Samuel, between more research and additions to this thread, we could head out in the nxt 2-4 weeks. 
Nymphing #18 emergers in spring creeks can only carry me so far.
Craving to chuck some big uglies ( at least a clouser), and get a vicious reply.

Please, more thoughts on locations are welcome
Thank you, in advance.

On Friday, December 27, 2013 3:11:26 AM UTC-5, BruceC2C wrote:
Recent reading has Winter Pickerel on my radar.
Any suggestions for Shore/Wade fishing access options are appreciated.
Prefer Maryland/Delaware Water.
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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Winter Pickerel from Shore...Locations?

Hey Bruce,
If you need a partner to find these guys, let me know. I really need to cure the pike/ pickerel/ musky fever I got,  
 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Winter SNP Fishing

Hi everyone,

So I've got a little cousin who picked up some new gear for Xmas and is psyched to get out and use it. We were thinking of heading up to the SNP streams for some winter camping/fishing. Anyone have any thoughts or recommendations on fishing the park in Jan/Feb? I know there are brookie spawning concerns in late-fall early-winter. Is that still something we need to bear in mind?

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Grass Carp / White Amur

here he is by the way, just so im not telling "fish tales"

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Grass Carp / White Amur

my pattern is a lot less glamorous, which is also why i think the grassie took it, because it just looked like a grass/moss fly.
But what i did is kind of a woolly bugger variation. I had a small olive marabou plume sticking out the back of a size 6 hook,
then tied in a hackle and wrapped it up to super light bead eyes and flattened the hackle on the top and bottom by pulling chenille
over from the back on the top and bottom so the hackle only stuck out the side.

I only managed to stick the one grassie, but had several more takes.
sorry if those descriptions were hard to understand

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Grass Carp / White Amur

i got one on one of these awhile back https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgH5xQJ5330p-g0PMKXA-o4WG_OJZwnzIywXfIjMPBwpHOcX_xtUGDTJDZLg354X3j2JKsnZkG8_IuIB6UtLWSwfpHbt7qH7r0oQbYXybPWege5yoFJcyglM2pDIaPfBQnbTg9OLRDs_sdl/s640/IMAG0209.jpg
its Adam Hope's carp damsel in olive

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fiberglass Rod Recommendations

Type in "4 Mile Run Park" into Google Earth and the marker should be right on the soccer field.

The parking lot is off of Mt Vernon Ave on the East side of the road, just South of the S. Glebe Rd-Mt Vernon Ave intersection.  

When you park in the lot, you'll see a path that leads Eastward.  To your left is 4 Mile Run, to your right is the soccer field (inside the fenced in area).  Walk just passed the fenced in area and there is a wide open grass space.

Hope this helps.

Vic

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:53:31 PM UTC-5, Art Friedlander wrote:
Sounds like we have a plan.

9 AM next Saturday.  Is the consensus 4 Mile Run Park?  If so, can someone provide directions?
Thanks,
Art


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Carl Z. <carl....@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds good to me.

Can someone with connections bring one of the new Orvis rods?

I will bring:
  Fenwick FF60, FF75,  FL96-6, ff85
  Garcia Conlolon (at least one)
  Cortland FR-2000

McFarland brookie rod
(and if I can get it finished an 8' 3wt)

I might bring some old fiberglass dud's to remind us that there are some glass rods that are worth using as tomato stakes.

Carl


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Rob Snowhite <r...@robsnowhite.com> wrote:
I played with the new Orvis glass at Mad River Outfitters in Ohio the other day. Didn't like the feel, too stiff. Not aesthetically easing either. If you set it down you won't find it. 

Starbucks and Dunkin both off rte 1 at Potomac Yards. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Vic Velasco <velasco...@gmail.com> wrote:

4 January Fiberglass Casting

My suggestion is 4 Mile Run Park on the south side of the run, on Mt Vernon Ave (just South of the South Glebe Rd intersection).  On the East side of the soccer field, there is a large grassy area that should be fine for lawn casting.

You can also see the outfall from this spot, although it looks like the tide will be high around 9am.  Current forecast is for clear skies, but cold air temps.

Across Mt Vernon Ave is a strip mall, but unfortunately no Starbucks.  I think there are some Starbucks shops along US1 on the way in...

If someone has a better spot and it is a more central point for everyone, I'm game.  Fletcher's Cove, the National Mall, one of the parks in Fairfax County, the park at Jones Point Dr?  I just figured 4MR is most ubiquitous with the folks on this site.

I plan on bringing my 6'6" Dave Lewis 3/4wt, 7'2" Barclay Glass, and a few Japanese Tenkara rods (not fiberglass, but a lot slower than graphite).

Vic

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 4:13:10 PM UTC-5, Carl wrote:

Works for me.

I will bring a selection of rods.

9am?
Where?

A place with enough parking and open space would be best.

A close by Starbucks is a bonus.

On Dec 20, 2013 7:28 AM, "Art Friedlander" <just...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I could do Jan 4th


On Friday, December 20, 2013 7:11 AM, Vic Velasco <velasco...@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't make this Saturday either (the reason I was pitching the Saturday after Christmas).

From the responses here so far, I think both this Saturday and the following are out. 

Is Jan 4th a date that everyone can support?

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:37:07 PM UTC-5, Art Friedlander wrote:
Victor, Vic, Carl, John and others:
Who can come to a glass casting this Saturday at 9?
Do we have a quorum?
Art
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fiberglass Rod Recommendations

Sounds like we have a plan.

9 AM next Saturday.  Is the consensus 4 Mile Run Park?  If so, can someone provide directions?
Thanks,
Art


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Carl Z. <carl.zmola0@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds good to me.

Can someone with connections bring one of the new Orvis rods?

I will bring:
  Fenwick FF60, FF75,  FL96-6, ff85
  Garcia Conlolon (at least one)
  Cortland FR-2000

McFarland brookie rod
(and if I can get it finished an 8' 3wt)

I might bring some old fiberglass dud's to remind us that there are some glass rods that are worth using as tomato stakes.

Carl


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> wrote:
I played with the new Orvis glass at Mad River Outfitters in Ohio the other day. Didn't like the feel, too stiff. Not aesthetically easing either. If you set it down you won't find it. 

Starbucks and Dunkin both off rte 1 at Potomac Yards. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Vic Velasco <velascovictorv@gmail.com> wrote:

4 January Fiberglass Casting

My suggestion is 4 Mile Run Park on the south side of the run, on Mt Vernon Ave (just South of the South Glebe Rd intersection).  On the East side of the soccer field, there is a large grassy area that should be fine for lawn casting.

You can also see the outfall from this spot, although it looks like the tide will be high around 9am.  Current forecast is for clear skies, but cold air temps.

Across Mt Vernon Ave is a strip mall, but unfortunately no Starbucks.  I think there are some Starbucks shops along US1 on the way in...

If someone has a better spot and it is a more central point for everyone, I'm game.  Fletcher's Cove, the National Mall, one of the parks in Fairfax County, the park at Jones Point Dr?  I just figured 4MR is most ubiquitous with the folks on this site.

I plan on bringing my 6'6" Dave Lewis 3/4wt, 7'2" Barclay Glass, and a few Japanese Tenkara rods (not fiberglass, but a lot slower than graphite).

Vic

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 4:13:10 PM UTC-5, Carl wrote:

Works for me.

I will bring a selection of rods.

9am?
Where?

A place with enough parking and open space would be best.

A close by Starbucks is a bonus.

On Dec 20, 2013 7:28 AM, "Art Friedlander" <just...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I could do Jan 4th


On Friday, December 20, 2013 7:11 AM, Vic Velasco <velasco...@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't make this Saturday either (the reason I was pitching the Saturday after Christmas).

From the responses here so far, I think both this Saturday and the following are out. 

Is Jan 4th a date that everyone can support?

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:37:07 PM UTC-5, Art Friedlander wrote:
Victor, Vic, Carl, John and others:
Who can come to a glass casting this Saturday at 9?
Do we have a quorum?
Art
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