Thursday, September 26, 2013

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Digest for tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 8 Topics

Thx, Bob. Good stuff on the reach mend/cast.


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:06 PM, <tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com> wrote:

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    Steve <dubblehaul@waywardangler.com> Sep 25 08:44PM -0400  

    Off hand, is anyone able to list the "fly fishing only" waters in Virginia and Maryland? Specifically, I'm trying to determine if Beaver Creek, MD or others prohibit spin fishing with artificial lures. My son, who has taken to fishing with me prefers to throw flies on his ultralight spinning rig over his fly rod. He might pick up the fly rod again, but I'm not pushing him too. I'm just happy my soon-to-be eighteen year old wants to fish with me.
     
    Steve

     

    TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> Sep 25 07:41PM -0700  

    This is a good question - I'd like to know as well. In Missouri, "fly
    fishing only" sometimes just means the use of artificial lures, so using a
    spinning rod falls under it. The Current River (trout) is a good example
    of this designation.
     
    Mossy creek is the only one I know in VA.
     
    Gene
     
    On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 8:44:36 PM UTC-4, dubblehaul wrote:

     

    Steve <dubblehaul@waywardangler.com> Sep 25 10:49PM -0400  

    Thanks, Gene. Mossy I was sure about. I might just have to contact tackle and fly shops near places we want to fish. The lower section of Beaver Creek, Md probably is, I've fished and don't remember though.
     

     

    Steve <dubblehaul@waywardangler.com> Sep 25 11:00PM -0400  

    Thanks, Don. There are some other private waters that are too, but not mentioned on the DGIF or MD DNR sites.
     

     

    TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> Sep 25 12:48PM -0700  

    Hi - I remember a recent article which indicated that you can throw a curve
    cast either by overpowering the forward cast, or by twisting the wrist at
    the end of the forward casting stroke.
     
    I think that they are easy enough to do by using a more side arm cast and *overpowering
    it (and/or using an untapered leader)*, but I cannot for the life of me
    understand how twisting your wrist could possibly accomplish this. It
    makes no sense to me....the rod still moves in the same direction, so how
    does the fly line read your mind and determine that you want the last few
    feet of it to kink into a 90 degree bend?
     
    Gene

     

    John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> Sep 25 04:05PM -0400  

    Gene,
     
    it is a twisting or turning of the wrist during the final acceleration phase of the forward cast. The motion takes the rod tip from a straight path and makes an abrupt curved path of the tip.
     
    The curve can be done in either direction, but is easiest to do by twisting or rotating the wrist to the inside.
     
    I hope that helps. Remind me next time I see you.
     
    John
     
     
    On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:48 PM, TurbineBlade wrote:
     

     

    TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> Sep 25 01:10PM -0700  

    So you *do* change the tip path? -- gotcha. I'll make that next clinic --
     
    Thanks,
     
    Gene
     
    On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 4:05:16 PM UTC-4, John wrote:

     

    TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> Sep 25 07:50PM -0700  

    Sure Dalton -- I use a fairly crappy reach cast sometimes with dries, but
    more often than not I seem to use a "drag" mend when fishing wets. I know
    it is poor presentation, but usually with current I figure most fish aren't
    aware of the initial drag before the swing ;). Sometimes I'm able to mend
    over big rocks in current without the fly moving at all, but I only nail it
    about 10% of the time. Usually I jerk the fly a bit -- too heavy handed
    and impatient, and unskilled.
     
    Actually, mending is one of those things that I think most people would
    learn naturally without any teaching simply because it's the only way to
    get a natural drift in current. What I mean is that I think most people
    would figure out to keep the fly line upstream of the fly (reach cast)
    during the actual cast just due to experience with the results of NOT doing
    it (obvious drag). If that makes sense. A caveman would be mending with
    no instruction in 1-2 days of fishing. And not only the Geico ones.
     
    I was using a curve cast the other day to actually put beetles around this
    bush to reach a good spot -- so not really an instance for a reach cast so
    much as a true curve. I get "okay" results with the overpowering (tuck
    cast) kind of curve, but not the twister kind.
     
    Gene
     
    On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 4:39:18 PM UTC-4, Dalton Terrell wrote:

     

    namfos <mark.sofman@gmail.com> Sep 25 05:55AM -0700  

    Wowser!
     
    I'm going to start buying Powerball tickets.
     
    Mark

     

    michael.d.virginia@gmail.com Sep 25 06:29AM -0700  

    How did I miss that... I really want to do such a trip as that.. I will pay
    more attention to you plans in the future David. Next time you do this, and
    I hope that is sometime this year or in the Spring, I would like to go. If
    there are other similar trips anywhere planed by anyone, I would like to
    know about them... Great pics, this is the fly fishing experience I am
    craving... Mike
     
    On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:56:37 PM UTC-4, Dan Davala -
    Founder/President wrote:

     

    michael.d.virginia@gmail.com Sep 25 06:33AM -0700  

    How did I miss that... I really want to do such a trip as that.. I will pay
    more attention to you plans in the future Dan. Next time you do this, and I
    hope that is sometime this year or in the Spring, I would like to go. If
    there are other similar trips anywhere planed by anyone, I would like to
    know about them... Great pics, this is the fly fishing experience I am
    craving... Mike

     

    Smallies&Shad <celebrate2001@aol.com> Sep 25 04:56PM -0700  

    Congrats gentlemen!!! Those are some *hog* fish. Great job planting the
    TPFR flag.

     

    Deadbait <joelrjohnson@gmail.com> Sep 25 12:32PM -0700  

    I spent 2.5 days trying to fly fish around Chincoteague island beach in
    mid-August (VA side of Assateauge Island) - there's a really lovely inlet
    Tom's Cove you can easily wade on the falling tide on the eastern side (you
    go into the park, drive to the beach, hang a right and go down to the end,
    park and head to the bay). Watch out for rays. There is a sandbar btw the
    ocean and bay roped off to protect native bird nests, but it might be down
    by the time you go. I also walked down the beach about a mile south but
    did not have much luck. Though I had some valuable lessons from the book
    STRIPER SURF, I didn't manage any solid takes on the beach. But the beach
    and bay were blessedly free of flies. I tried a couple of the bait shops
    for tips on better locations but they weren't all that used to having FFman
    so had little advice. You may want to try renting a boat from one of them
    and fishing the falling tide int he channel between the island and the
    mainland. I noticed a few boats anchored up in the channel fishing during
    the drop and fall.
     
    I do not recommend stalking the forests for canals that lead to the ocean
    or inlets - you will get eaten alive by the flies and skeeters.
     
    Good luck!
     
    On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:41:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Y. wrote:

     

    Vic Velasco <velascovictorv@gmail.com> Sep 25 03:37PM -0700  

    Deadbait -
     
    Did you catch, and if 'yes' what flies were you using?
     
    I have kept an eye on this thread and looked up what the bait shops there
    were posting - looks like some good redfishing going on using bait and the
    long surf rods.
     
    Thanks
    Vic
     
    On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 3:32:52 PM UTC-4, Deadbait wrote:

     

    Richard DeafFly Lin <rlinpager@gmail.com> Sep 25 02:56PM -0700  

    Hey - I am back from Pulaski, NY and I promised to report it.
     
    On Monday - I went the Salmon River in early morning around 6:30am with 42
    degree however 50 fishermen showed up already!! DAMN!! Some were with spin
    rods and other were use different type of rods that come with similar fly
    fishing reels - I don't know what it is called. It was so crowd - I hated
    it but I had no choice and waited until someone fedup and left the spot,
    then I took over it - in three different places. I used egg patterns like
    most fishermen used. First 2 -3 hours few of them caught/landed King Salmon
    and some broken off. All day I did not get any feeling bits or pulls- eggs
    and traditional flies did not work well. I did it at fly fishing zone
    (still crowd) at lower area in Altmar. It was lousy day! I went back hotel,
    surface information online, found some reports and got some feedbacks from
    a friend of mine who goes there every year. He suggested me to try smaller
    of natural flies - King salmon are not dumb and wont take egg pattern most
    time. I looked in my flies boxes and I did not bring everything- AHHHHH...
    Then I saw some woolly - OK why not to use them tomorrow!!
     
    On Tuesday and showed up 5:30 AM at different place and the fishermen
    already showed up there - around 30! Anyway....it was slow for 3 hours and
    only 3 of them caught steelhead and king salmon. I decided going back to
    fly fishing zone again and found good spot (not really - only 10 feet
    between each other). After 3rd casting, BIG pull surprised me!!! I was so
    thrilled and reeling fast, suddenly it flied out of water in front of me -
    5 feet above water, after three minutes - BROKEN OFF!! I was liking cry
    babyyyyyy at the point. After several casting, it did again and broken
    off.....It was killing my feeling....I decided to change to 0x from 2x.
    After almost one hour of casting, BIG pull again.....All I was thinking -
    TAKE YOUR TIME - TAKE YOUR TIME......It jumped and jumped liking
    bullfighter and tug of war ....I had to ride with it for 15 minutes and
    finally landed it!!! YEAHHHHHHHH! biggest fish I have caught in my life!!!
    What a great feeling!!! Asked person to take a picture for me. I barely
    hard to left it when I was holding its tail. I needed to release it quickly
    and decided to HUG it as shown as "How much I love it" !!! Then released
    it. I did had 4th pull and broken it again. Then Woolly were not useful
    after most noon. It was most awesome day!!! ;-)
     
    Richard
     
     
     
    On Sunday, September 15, 2013 8:27:49 AM UTC-4, Richard DeafFly Lin wrote:

     

    ROBERT BISHOP <rdjbishop@verizon.net> Sep 25 03:33PM -0700  

    Loved reading your narrative! Congratulations on your first salmon ,and a fat one it was!  Nothing like hooking into those monsters in that river. Worth putting up with the crowds, which actually is part of the charm of the place.
     
    Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

     

    samuel newcomer <samuelnewcomer@gmail.com> Sep 25 12:16PM -0700  

    Hey guys,
    Looking to get into some good small/large mouth fishing this weekend.
    anyone been having luck around here? if so, where have you been going? I
    have had great luck at 4mr all year but looking to try some new spots.
    Also, anyone just have an awesome fall small mouth/ large mouth fly
    pattern?

     

    Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> Sep 25 03:53PM -0400  

    I had some great success on a farm pond two weeks ago with mice and bohemian chenille worm (google the later for ohio website tutorial.)
     
    All fish were caught between dusk and 10pm. We fished under that huge moon with enough light to cast!!
     
    Taking the kid to the tidal basin tomorrow for largies.
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    samuel newcomer <samuelnewcomer@gmail.com> Sep 25 01:16PM -0700  

    Hey Rob,
    Have you ever had any luck up in Scotts run where it nears the Potomac?
     

     

    Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> Sep 25 04:32PM -0400  

    I caught a huge smallie there a few years ago. Haven't been back in over a year. Lots of hellgrammites and madtoms in the rocks. It's a great spot to fish and very scenic. Bald eagles spotted almost every time I've fished there.
     
    Be careful wading as there can e some fast rapids.
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    Deadbait <joelrjohnson@gmail.com> Sep 25 12:41PM -0700  

    http://vimeo.com/74791663
     
    Folks see this short film about the fly fishing on the Piankatank? Nice to
    see the area featured on the Orvis FFF, but I had never heard of it til I
    saw the video with the Rap getting most of my attention. Wondering if
    anyone has thoughts on the quality of the fly fishing there? Is the guy who
    made the film on these forums - care to share?

     

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