Thx, Bob. Good stuff on the reach mend/cast.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:06 PM, <tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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- Fly Fishing Only Water [5 Updates]
- Curve casts [5 Updates]
- ALASKA Trip Report - Last Frontier of the Last Frontier [4 Updates]
- Assateague Fly Fishing- Where to go? [2 Updates]
- Tippet/leader size for salmon/steelhead [2 Updates]
- Smallies/ Bucket mouths [5 Updates]
- Seen this short about the Piankatank? [1 Update]
- Carp Fishing [1 Update]
Steve <dubblehaul@waywardangler.com> Sep 25 08:44PM -0400
Off hand, is anyone able to list the "fly fishing only" waters in Virginia and Maryland? Specifically, I'm trying to determine if Beaver Creek, MD or others prohibit spin fishing with artificial lures. My son, who has taken to fishing with me prefers to throw flies on his ultralight spinning rig over his fly rod. He might pick up the fly rod again, but I'm not pushing him too. I'm just happy my soon-to-be eighteen year old wants to fish with me.
Steve
TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> Sep 25 07:41PM -0700
This is a good question - I'd like to know as well. In Missouri, "fly
fishing only" sometimes just means the use of artificial lures, so using a
spinning rod falls under it. The Current River (trout) is a good example
of this designation.
Mossy creek is the only one I know in VA.
Gene
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 8:44:36 PM UTC-4, dubblehaul wrote:
Steve <dubblehaul@waywardangler.com> Sep 25 10:49PM -0400
Thanks, Gene. Mossy I was sure about. I might just have to contact tackle and fly shops near places we want to fish. The lower section of Beaver Creek, Md probably is, I've fished and don't remember though.
Don Rose <donrose100@gmail.com> Sep 25 10:51PM -0400
This link is to the Special Regulation Trout Waters in VA.
http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/fishing/trout/special-regulation-trout-waters/
Don
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Steve <dubblehaul@waywardangler.com> Sep 25 11:00PM -0400
Thanks, Don. There are some other private waters that are too, but not mentioned on the DGIF or MD DNR sites.
TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> Sep 25 12:48PM -0700
Hi - I remember a recent article which indicated that you can throw a curve
cast either by overpowering the forward cast, or by twisting the wrist at
the end of the forward casting stroke.
I think that they are easy enough to do by using a more side arm cast and *overpowering
it (and/or using an untapered leader)*, but I cannot for the life of me
understand how twisting your wrist could possibly accomplish this. It
makes no sense to me....the rod still moves in the same direction, so how
does the fly line read your mind and determine that you want the last few
feet of it to kink into a 90 degree bend?
Gene
John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> Sep 25 04:05PM -0400
Gene,
it is a twisting or turning of the wrist during the final acceleration phase of the forward cast. The motion takes the rod tip from a straight path and makes an abrupt curved path of the tip.
The curve can be done in either direction, but is easiest to do by twisting or rotating the wrist to the inside.
I hope that helps. Remind me next time I see you.
John
On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:48 PM, TurbineBlade wrote:
TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> Sep 25 01:10PM -0700
So you *do* change the tip path? -- gotcha. I'll make that next clinic --
Thanks,
Gene
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 4:05:16 PM UTC-4, John wrote:
Dalton Terrell <daltonbterrell@gmail.com> Sep 25 01:39PM -0700
Gene,
Have you already tried reach mending? Unless you are casting around an
obstacle, this is much easier to get correct than curving the cast. Check
out this good video if you are not:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14njsZy47qg
Dalton
TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> Sep 25 07:50PM -0700
Sure Dalton -- I use a fairly crappy reach cast sometimes with dries, but
more often than not I seem to use a "drag" mend when fishing wets. I know
it is poor presentation, but usually with current I figure most fish aren't
aware of the initial drag before the swing ;). Sometimes I'm able to mend
over big rocks in current without the fly moving at all, but I only nail it
about 10% of the time. Usually I jerk the fly a bit -- too heavy handed
and impatient, and unskilled.
Actually, mending is one of those things that I think most people would
learn naturally without any teaching simply because it's the only way to
get a natural drift in current. What I mean is that I think most people
would figure out to keep the fly line upstream of the fly (reach cast)
during the actual cast just due to experience with the results of NOT doing
it (obvious drag). If that makes sense. A caveman would be mending with
no instruction in 1-2 days of fishing. And not only the Geico ones.
I was using a curve cast the other day to actually put beetles around this
bush to reach a good spot -- so not really an instance for a reach cast so
much as a true curve. I get "okay" results with the overpowering (tuck
cast) kind of curve, but not the twister kind.
Gene
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 4:39:18 PM UTC-4, Dalton Terrell wrote:
namfos <mark.sofman@gmail.com> Sep 25 05:55AM -0700
Wowser!
I'm going to start buying Powerball tickets.
Mark
michael.d.virginia@gmail.com Sep 25 06:29AM -0700
How did I miss that... I really want to do such a trip as that.. I will pay
more attention to you plans in the future David. Next time you do this, and
I hope that is sometime this year or in the Spring, I would like to go. If
there are other similar trips anywhere planed by anyone, I would like to
know about them... Great pics, this is the fly fishing experience I am
craving... Mike
On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:56:37 PM UTC-4, Dan Davala -
Founder/President wrote:
michael.d.virginia@gmail.com Sep 25 06:33AM -0700
How did I miss that... I really want to do such a trip as that.. I will pay
more attention to you plans in the future Dan. Next time you do this, and I
hope that is sometime this year or in the Spring, I would like to go. If
there are other similar trips anywhere planed by anyone, I would like to
know about them... Great pics, this is the fly fishing experience I am
craving... Mike
Smallies&Shad <celebrate2001@aol.com> Sep 25 04:56PM -0700
Congrats gentlemen!!! Those are some *hog* fish. Great job planting the
TPFR flag.
Deadbait <joelrjohnson@gmail.com> Sep 25 12:32PM -0700
I spent 2.5 days trying to fly fish around Chincoteague island beach in
mid-August (VA side of Assateauge Island) - there's a really lovely inlet
Tom's Cove you can easily wade on the falling tide on the eastern side (you
go into the park, drive to the beach, hang a right and go down to the end,
park and head to the bay). Watch out for rays. There is a sandbar btw the
ocean and bay roped off to protect native bird nests, but it might be down
by the time you go. I also walked down the beach about a mile south but
did not have much luck. Though I had some valuable lessons from the book
STRIPER SURF, I didn't manage any solid takes on the beach. But the beach
and bay were blessedly free of flies. I tried a couple of the bait shops
for tips on better locations but they weren't all that used to having FFman
so had little advice. You may want to try renting a boat from one of them
and fishing the falling tide int he channel between the island and the
mainland. I noticed a few boats anchored up in the channel fishing during
the drop and fall.
I do not recommend stalking the forests for canals that lead to the ocean
or inlets - you will get eaten alive by the flies and skeeters.
Good luck!
On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:41:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Y. wrote:
Vic Velasco <velascovictorv@gmail.com> Sep 25 03:37PM -0700
Deadbait -
Did you catch, and if 'yes' what flies were you using?
I have kept an eye on this thread and looked up what the bait shops there
were posting - looks like some good redfishing going on using bait and the
long surf rods.
Thanks
Vic
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 3:32:52 PM UTC-4, Deadbait wrote:
Richard DeafFly Lin <rlinpager@gmail.com> Sep 25 02:56PM -0700
Hey - I am back from Pulaski, NY and I promised to report it.
On Monday - I went the Salmon River in early morning around 6:30am with 42
degree however 50 fishermen showed up already!! DAMN!! Some were with spin
rods and other were use different type of rods that come with similar fly
fishing reels - I don't know what it is called. It was so crowd - I hated
it but I had no choice and waited until someone fedup and left the spot,
then I took over it - in three different places. I used egg patterns like
most fishermen used. First 2 -3 hours few of them caught/landed King Salmon
and some broken off. All day I did not get any feeling bits or pulls- eggs
and traditional flies did not work well. I did it at fly fishing zone
(still crowd) at lower area in Altmar. It was lousy day! I went back hotel,
surface information online, found some reports and got some feedbacks from
a friend of mine who goes there every year. He suggested me to try smaller
of natural flies - King salmon are not dumb and wont take egg pattern most
time. I looked in my flies boxes and I did not bring everything- AHHHHH...
Then I saw some woolly - OK why not to use them tomorrow!!
On Tuesday and showed up 5:30 AM at different place and the fishermen
already showed up there - around 30! Anyway....it was slow for 3 hours and
only 3 of them caught steelhead and king salmon. I decided going back to
fly fishing zone again and found good spot (not really - only 10 feet
between each other). After 3rd casting, BIG pull surprised me!!! I was so
thrilled and reeling fast, suddenly it flied out of water in front of me -
5 feet above water, after three minutes - BROKEN OFF!! I was liking cry
babyyyyyy at the point. After several casting, it did again and broken
off.....It was killing my feeling....I decided to change to 0x from 2x.
After almost one hour of casting, BIG pull again.....All I was thinking -
TAKE YOUR TIME - TAKE YOUR TIME......It jumped and jumped liking
bullfighter and tug of war ....I had to ride with it for 15 minutes and
finally landed it!!! YEAHHHHHHHH! biggest fish I have caught in my life!!!
What a great feeling!!! Asked person to take a picture for me. I barely
hard to left it when I was holding its tail. I needed to release it quickly
and decided to HUG it as shown as "How much I love it" !!! Then released
it. I did had 4th pull and broken it again. Then Woolly were not useful
after most noon. It was most awesome day!!! ;-)
Richard
On Sunday, September 15, 2013 8:27:49 AM UTC-4, Richard DeafFly Lin wrote:
ROBERT BISHOP <rdjbishop@verizon.net> Sep 25 03:33PM -0700
Loved reading your narrative! Congratulations on your first salmon ,and a fat one it was! Nothing like hooking into those monsters in that river. Worth putting up with the crowds, which actually is part of the charm of the place.
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samuel newcomer <samuelnewcomer@gmail.com> Sep 25 12:16PM -0700
Hey guys,
Looking to get into some good small/large mouth fishing this weekend.
anyone been having luck around here? if so, where have you been going? I
have had great luck at 4mr all year but looking to try some new spots.
Also, anyone just have an awesome fall small mouth/ large mouth fly
pattern?
Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> Sep 25 03:53PM -0400
I had some great success on a farm pond two weeks ago with mice and bohemian chenille worm (google the later for ohio website tutorial.)
All fish were caught between dusk and 10pm. We fished under that huge moon with enough light to cast!!
Taking the kid to the tidal basin tomorrow for largies.
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samuel newcomer <samuelnewcomer@gmail.com> Sep 25 01:16PM -0700
Hey Rob,
Have you ever had any luck up in Scotts run where it nears the Potomac?
Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> Sep 25 04:32PM -0400
I caught a huge smallie there a few years ago. Haven't been back in over a year. Lots of hellgrammites and madtoms in the rocks. It's a great spot to fish and very scenic. Bald eagles spotted almost every time I've fished there.
Be careful wading as there can e some fast rapids.
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samuel newcomer <samuelnewcomer@gmail.com> Sep 25 02:30PM -0700
Thank you good sir
Deadbait <joelrjohnson@gmail.com> Sep 25 12:41PM -0700
http://vimeo.com/74791663
Folks see this short film about the fly fishing on the Piankatank? Nice to
see the area featured on the Orvis FFF, but I had never heard of it til I
saw the video with the Rap getting most of my attention. Wondering if
anyone has thoughts on the quality of the fly fishing there? Is the guy who
made the film on these forums - care to share?
Bob Sivinski <bobsiv@gmail.com> Sep 25 10:00AM -0700
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