Thursday, March 31, 2022

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: CASTING CHURCH - Sun 10 April

Pete—I use either a OSTP Commando or Rio Gamechanger sinking head with an S8/9 sink tip. Getting hung up on the bottom is a part of getting deep. But that is where the shad are! Todd. 

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On Mar 31, 2022, at 11:54, Peter Brookes <brookesoutdoors@gmail.com> wrote:


Thanks, Jamie!  I assume a Skagit head with a sink tip would work on the Potomac?  

Pete

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 10:38 AM Jamie Gold <jkg116@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Peter

Yes, Spey casting can be used for shad on the Potomac.  In fact it opens up areas on shore that are otherwise not conducive to fly fishing, like Gordon's and Walkers.  But you do need a sink tip to get the flies down.  I've done it and caught shad. I also had a lot of fun Spey casting at Falmouth Park on the Rapp this past Sunday with some folks from Orvis. 

I've taken Spey lessons from Regan and he's a terrific instructor.  I really suck at it, but my incompetence at it is entirely on me.  LOL. My point is that if I can catch shad doing it, anyone can. 

Jamie Gold



On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:47 AM Brookes Outdoors <brookesoutdoors@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Regan:

I'm super interested in Spey—and, in fact, will have a blog coming out in VA's DWR fishing newsletter soon on trout Spey that I wrote recently (as a newcomer to the style). 

I'll share it with the group when it runs—and you can correct my errors!

I'm hoping to make the clinic—and really interested in whether it can be applied to shad fishing in the Potomac (?).  

Thanks,

Dr. Peter Brookes
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On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 10:16:29 PM UTC-4 Regan Burmeister wrote:
We will have our casting get together on Sunday, 10 April at Fletcher's Cove from 8am to 11am. 

Perhaps you have heard the term "spey casting".  You have been curious, what does pet sterilization have to do with fly casting?

To clear that up, the sterilization is 'spay', not 'spey', though pronounced the same.  'Spey' actually refers to the Spey River in Scotland.

We will have a focus group on spey casting with single-hand and double-hand rods, and that will lead to a discussion on what is trout-spey. (that is definitely not trout sterilization). 

"Curious and confused?  You won't be after this episode of Casting Church."  (Anyone get the 'Soap' intro play on words?)

Come on out, whether you are a novice, intermediate, or advanced caster, it is all fun to work on solving casting problems and casting challenges, particularly for shad.
If you are just getting started, this is a great way to meet people who can help.  There will be casting instructors on hand.
If you are preparing for an upcoming trip and looking to re-fresh your casting skills, this is a great opportunity.

Regan

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: CASTING CHURCH - Sun 10 April

Thanks, Jamie!  I assume a Skagit head with a sink tip would work on the Potomac?  

Pete

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 10:38 AM Jamie Gold <jkg116@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Peter

Yes, Spey casting can be used for shad on the Potomac.  In fact it opens up areas on shore that are otherwise not conducive to fly fishing, like Gordon's and Walkers.  But you do need a sink tip to get the flies down.  I've done it and caught shad. I also had a lot of fun Spey casting at Falmouth Park on the Rapp this past Sunday with some folks from Orvis. 

I've taken Spey lessons from Regan and he's a terrific instructor.  I really suck at it, but my incompetence at it is entirely on me.  LOL. My point is that if I can catch shad doing it, anyone can. 

Jamie Gold



On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:47 AM Brookes Outdoors <brookesoutdoors@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Regan:

I'm super interested in Spey—and, in fact, will have a blog coming out in VA's DWR fishing newsletter soon on trout Spey that I wrote recently (as a newcomer to the style). 

I'll share it with the group when it runs—and you can correct my errors!

I'm hoping to make the clinic—and really interested in whether it can be applied to shad fishing in the Potomac (?).  

Thanks,

Dr. Peter Brookes
"DC foreign policy geek by day; VA outdoor writer by night"
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On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 10:16:29 PM UTC-4 Regan Burmeister wrote:
We will have our casting get together on Sunday, 10 April at Fletcher's Cove from 8am to 11am. 

Perhaps you have heard the term "spey casting".  You have been curious, what does pet sterilization have to do with fly casting?

To clear that up, the sterilization is 'spay', not 'spey', though pronounced the same.  'Spey' actually refers to the Spey River in Scotland.

We will have a focus group on spey casting with single-hand and double-hand rods, and that will lead to a discussion on what is trout-spey. (that is definitely not trout sterilization). 

"Curious and confused?  You won't be after this episode of Casting Church."  (Anyone get the 'Soap' intro play on words?)

Come on out, whether you are a novice, intermediate, or advanced caster, it is all fun to work on solving casting problems and casting challenges, particularly for shad.
If you are just getting started, this is a great way to meet people who can help.  There will be casting instructors on hand.
If you are preparing for an upcoming trip and looking to re-fresh your casting skills, this is a great opportunity.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: CASTING CHURCH - Sun 10 April

Hi Peter

Yes, Spey casting can be used for shad on the Potomac.  In fact it opens up areas on shore that are otherwise not conducive to fly fishing, like Gordon's and Walkers.  But you do need a sink tip to get the flies down.  I've done it and caught shad. I also had a lot of fun Spey casting at Falmouth Park on the Rapp this past Sunday with some folks from Orvis. 

I've taken Spey lessons from Regan and he's a terrific instructor.  I really suck at it, but my incompetence at it is entirely on me.  LOL. My point is that if I can catch shad doing it, anyone can. 

Jamie Gold



On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:47 AM Brookes Outdoors <brookesoutdoors@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Regan:

I'm super interested in Spey—and, in fact, will have a blog coming out in VA's DWR fishing newsletter soon on trout Spey that I wrote recently (as a newcomer to the style). 

I'll share it with the group when it runs—and you can correct my errors!

I'm hoping to make the clinic—and really interested in whether it can be applied to shad fishing in the Potomac (?).  

Thanks,

Dr. Peter Brookes
"DC foreign policy geek by day; VA outdoor writer by night"
Brookes Outdoors  
Award-winning Outdoor Media

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 10:16:29 PM UTC-4 Regan Burmeister wrote:
We will have our casting get together on Sunday, 10 April at Fletcher's Cove from 8am to 11am. 

Perhaps you have heard the term "spey casting".  You have been curious, what does pet sterilization have to do with fly casting?

To clear that up, the sterilization is 'spay', not 'spey', though pronounced the same.  'Spey' actually refers to the Spey River in Scotland.

We will have a focus group on spey casting with single-hand and double-hand rods, and that will lead to a discussion on what is trout-spey. (that is definitely not trout sterilization). 

"Curious and confused?  You won't be after this episode of Casting Church."  (Anyone get the 'Soap' intro play on words?)

Come on out, whether you are a novice, intermediate, or advanced caster, it is all fun to work on solving casting problems and casting challenges, particularly for shad.
If you are just getting started, this is a great way to meet people who can help.  There will be casting instructors on hand.
If you are preparing for an upcoming trip and looking to re-fresh your casting skills, this is a great opportunity.

Regan

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: CASTING CHURCH - Sun 10 April

Hey Regan:

I'm super interested in Spey—and, in fact, will have a blog coming out in VA's DWR fishing newsletter soon on trout Spey that I wrote recently (as a newcomer to the style). 

I'll share it with the group when it runs—and you can correct my errors!

I'm hoping to make the clinic—and really interested in whether it can be applied to shad fishing in the Potomac (?).  

Thanks,

Dr. Peter Brookes
"DC foreign policy geek by day; VA outdoor writer by night"
Brookes Outdoors  
Award-winning Outdoor Media

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 10:16:29 PM UTC-4 Regan Burmeister wrote:
We will have our casting get together on Sunday, 10 April at Fletcher's Cove from 8am to 11am. 

Perhaps you have heard the term "spey casting".  You have been curious, what does pet sterilization have to do with fly casting?

To clear that up, the sterilization is 'spay', not 'spey', though pronounced the same.  'Spey' actually refers to the Spey River in Scotland.

We will have a focus group on spey casting with single-hand and double-hand rods, and that will lead to a discussion on what is trout-spey. (that is definitely not trout sterilization). 

"Curious and confused?  You won't be after this episode of Casting Church."  (Anyone get the 'Soap' intro play on words?)

Come on out, whether you are a novice, intermediate, or advanced caster, it is all fun to work on solving casting problems and casting challenges, particularly for shad.
If you are just getting started, this is a great way to meet people who can help.  There will be casting instructors on hand.
If you are preparing for an upcoming trip and looking to re-fresh your casting skills, this is a great opportunity.

Regan

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} BEER TIE - Mon 11 Apr

Fantastic. 

We'll be tying Clouser Minnows in different sizes for the next two beer ties. If people want to tie shad flies I will have the material for those too. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 30, 2022, at 10:21 PM, Regan Burmeister <reganebur@gmail.com> wrote:


Monday 11 April will be our Beer-Tie at Colony Grill.  

Shad season is upon us. People are catching smallmouth and stripers. West Virginia, Virginia, and Maryland are stocking streams on a regular basis.

Come on out and meet your fellow anglers, bring your fly tying material, your fly tying questions, your fly fishing questions. 

Always fun to discuss what are the best patterns for each species.

Festivities will begin at 7pm.

See you there,
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Wednesday, March 30, 2022

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} BEER TIE - Mon 11 Apr

Monday 11 April will be our Beer-Tie at Colony Grill.  

Shad season is upon us. People are catching smallmouth and stripers. West Virginia, Virginia, and Maryland are stocking streams on a regular basis.

Come on out and meet your fellow anglers, bring your fly tying material, your fly tying questions, your fly fishing questions. 

Always fun to discuss what are the best patterns for each species.

Festivities will begin at 7pm.

See you there,
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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} CASTING CHURCH - Sun 10 April

We will have our casting get together on Sunday, 10 April at Fletcher's Cove from 8am to 11am. 

Perhaps you have heard the term "spey casting".  You have been curious, what does pet sterilization have to do with fly casting?

To clear that up, the sterilization is 'spay', not 'spey', though pronounced the same.  'Spey' actually refers to the Spey River in Scotland.

We will have a focus group on spey casting with single-hand and double-hand rods, and that will lead to a discussion on what is trout-spey. (that is definitely not trout sterilization). 

"Curious and confused?  You won't be after this episode of Casting Church."  (Anyone get the 'Soap' intro play on words?)

Come on out, whether you are a novice, intermediate, or advanced caster, it is all fun to work on solving casting problems and casting challenges, particularly for shad.
If you are just getting started, this is a great way to meet people who can help.  There will be casting instructors on hand.
If you are preparing for an upcoming trip and looking to re-fresh your casting skills, this is a great opportunity.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Dredging Four Mile Run

The large tree in front of the outflow would fix the problem, but the shopping carts so create cover. 

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 8:49:19 PM UTC-4 Miles wrote:
VA DEQ reports 4MR has some 'impairments': chlordane in fish tissue and E. Coli everywhere. It also flags PCBs in fish tissue, but that's everywhere in the tidal Potomac watershed. I don't know enough to say how that would affect disposal of the sediment, but given that chlordane was banned in 1988 and they're still finding it in fish, it probably means there's still a decent amount of it in the river bottom.

-Miles
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 7:48:44 PM UTC-4 northstreet...@gmail.com wrote:
This is correct.  After the Corps built the initial project, the local entity is responsible for maintaining it.  Part of that maintenance is making sure it continues to pass the flows that it was designed for.  i doubt it is currently doing that which is why they need to clean it out. 

As far as the sediment, I imagine that it will go to a landfill or something, but i do wonder how polluted it really is.  Is there some significant industry upstream that would have been dumping heavy metals?  It may be that it is mostly just whatever you get from typical urban runoff.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 10:24:26 AM UTC-4 andy...@gmail.com wrote:
Any time the Army Corps is involved in flood control it is typically utilitarian, but that is not to say the localities cannot push to incorporate other features such as "meander" and fish habitat. Hopefully they get a chance to put some bonus features in the flood control project.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:52:08 PM UTC-4 Miles wrote:
So around fifteen years ago Alexandria and Arlington put together an amazing plan to revitalize 4MR. The drawings are beautiful. They're like those sci-fi movies where the poor people have to live in one place and the rich people live somewhere so much nicer that it's oppressive. The drawings look like the rich place.

Eleven years ago I went to a public meeting about how they were ready to get to work. It was pretty exciting: one of the things they said they would do was improve the stream bed, because 4MR had 'lost its meander'. They were going to make a deeper main channel and lots of undercut holes for fish to hide in, that sort of thing. I was looking forward to fishing a totally different 4MR in a few short years.

Maybe six years ago or so, they did some of the work, made the pond, but 4MR still looks a lot like 4MR, and not much like the drawings. Still a real strong District 13 vibe. Not that I'm complaining -- I fish there.

Arlington says the project is 'complete' (here) but apparently there are still meetings happening and more work is planned to be done. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the dredging is to be integrated into the ongoing restoration project.

Point being, it's not clear to me whether the dredging will create the 'meander' the Master Plan calls for (with deep holes for fish), or if this is going to be a more utilitarian project strictly for flood control. Much as I hope to see the 'rich place' version of 4MR some day, I'm not holding my breath. But any channel in 4MR would be an improvement.

Also, today I learned that the stream that enters at Troy Park is called 'Lower Long Branch'. I did not realize Long Branch Nature Center is on the Upper Long Branch, so I thought maybe they were proposing to dredge from (Upper) Long Branch all the way to the Potomac in six months. This watershed map made it a lot clearer.

-Miles
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:48:31 PM UTC-4 dlaz...@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew S. thank you for the new perspective. Much appreciated.

Daniel


On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:14 PM Andrew Sarcinello <andy...@gmail.com> wrote:
While it is not my specialty I have had a small role in developing 2 or 3 dredging plans at my job. My guess is the proper disposal of the dredged material costs just as much as the dredging itself. There are likely pollutants within the dredged material that require special considerations for storage so as to not leach back into the environment - it's only a theory since I have no direct knowledge of this project, but if true it would drive the cost up pretty quickly.

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 5:10:55 PM UTC-4 dlaz...@gmail.com wrote:
If those yellow circles represent the dredging area, it doesn't look like we are getting very much for our $5 million dollars.

Daniel


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Sunday, March 27, 2022

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Presque Isle Smallmouth Bass

Vladimir- the smallmouth are in shallow as part of their spawning behavior, so dates tend to be related to water temp. (although moon phase probably has something to do with it too). I've fished smallies in PIB and the Erie tribs (they run up the creeks like steelhead) from late April through mid May. The bay is usually earlier than the tribs, but it can depend. If you fish them in the tributary creeks YOU MUST, BY LAW, not target spawning fish on their beds. These fish are out of season at this time, and targeting a spawning fish out of season is against the law in PA. You can catch them lawfully, just not on their spawning beds.
Wooly Buggers and other streamers, with a gurgler or 2 is all you need.
Hope that helps. Good luck.
-Bill W

On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 4:38:00 PM UTC-4 Vo wrote:
Hey All,
              Considering going to Presque Isle Pennsylvania sometime this Spring targeting Smallmouth Bass.
I've been doing some research on when is the best time to go. And have been getting conflicting information.

Does anyone have any experience fishing for Smallmouth Bass in Pressure Isle ?
Any advice when is the best to go ? 

Thanks in advance

Vladimir (  Vo )

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Saturday, March 26, 2022

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Presque Isle Smallmouth Bass

Hey All,
              Considering going to Presque Isle Pennsylvania sometime this Spring targeting Smallmouth Bass.
I've been doing some research on when is the best time to go. And have been getting conflicting information.

Does anyone have any experience fishing for Smallmouth Bass in Pressure Isle ?
Any advice when is the best to go ? 

Thanks in advance

Vladimir (  Vo )

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Thursday, March 24, 2022

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Dredging Four Mile Run

VA DEQ reports 4MR has some 'impairments': chlordane in fish tissue and E. Coli everywhere. It also flags PCBs in fish tissue, but that's everywhere in the tidal Potomac watershed. I don't know enough to say how that would affect disposal of the sediment, but given that chlordane was banned in 1988 and they're still finding it in fish, it probably means there's still a decent amount of it in the river bottom.

-Miles
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 7:48:44 PM UTC-4 northstreet...@gmail.com wrote:
This is correct.  After the Corps built the initial project, the local entity is responsible for maintaining it.  Part of that maintenance is making sure it continues to pass the flows that it was designed for.  i doubt it is currently doing that which is why they need to clean it out. 

As far as the sediment, I imagine that it will go to a landfill or something, but i do wonder how polluted it really is.  Is there some significant industry upstream that would have been dumping heavy metals?  It may be that it is mostly just whatever you get from typical urban runoff.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 10:24:26 AM UTC-4 andy...@gmail.com wrote:
Any time the Army Corps is involved in flood control it is typically utilitarian, but that is not to say the localities cannot push to incorporate other features such as "meander" and fish habitat. Hopefully they get a chance to put some bonus features in the flood control project.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:52:08 PM UTC-4 Miles wrote:
So around fifteen years ago Alexandria and Arlington put together an amazing plan to revitalize 4MR. The drawings are beautiful. They're like those sci-fi movies where the poor people have to live in one place and the rich people live somewhere so much nicer that it's oppressive. The drawings look like the rich place.

Eleven years ago I went to a public meeting about how they were ready to get to work. It was pretty exciting: one of the things they said they would do was improve the stream bed, because 4MR had 'lost its meander'. They were going to make a deeper main channel and lots of undercut holes for fish to hide in, that sort of thing. I was looking forward to fishing a totally different 4MR in a few short years.

Maybe six years ago or so, they did some of the work, made the pond, but 4MR still looks a lot like 4MR, and not much like the drawings. Still a real strong District 13 vibe. Not that I'm complaining -- I fish there.

Arlington says the project is 'complete' (here) but apparently there are still meetings happening and more work is planned to be done. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the dredging is to be integrated into the ongoing restoration project.

Point being, it's not clear to me whether the dredging will create the 'meander' the Master Plan calls for (with deep holes for fish), or if this is going to be a more utilitarian project strictly for flood control. Much as I hope to see the 'rich place' version of 4MR some day, I'm not holding my breath. But any channel in 4MR would be an improvement.

Also, today I learned that the stream that enters at Troy Park is called 'Lower Long Branch'. I did not realize Long Branch Nature Center is on the Upper Long Branch, so I thought maybe they were proposing to dredge from (Upper) Long Branch all the way to the Potomac in six months. This watershed map made it a lot clearer.

-Miles
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:48:31 PM UTC-4 dlaz...@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew S. thank you for the new perspective. Much appreciated.

Daniel


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While it is not my specialty I have had a small role in developing 2 or 3 dredging plans at my job. My guess is the proper disposal of the dredged material costs just as much as the dredging itself. There are likely pollutants within the dredged material that require special considerations for storage so as to not leach back into the environment - it's only a theory since I have no direct knowledge of this project, but if true it would drive the cost up pretty quickly.

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 5:10:55 PM UTC-4 dlaz...@gmail.com wrote:
If those yellow circles represent the dredging area, it doesn't look like we are getting very much for our $5 million dollars.

Daniel


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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Dredging Four Mile Run

This is correct.  After the Corps built the initial project, the local entity is responsible for maintaining it.  Part of that maintenance is making sure it continues to pass the flows that it was designed for.  i doubt it is currently doing that which is why they need to clean it out. 

As far as the sediment, I imagine that it will go to a landfill or something, but i do wonder how polluted it really is.  Is there some significant industry upstream that would have been dumping heavy metals?  It may be that it is mostly just whatever you get from typical urban runoff.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 10:24:26 AM UTC-4 andy...@gmail.com wrote:
Any time the Army Corps is involved in flood control it is typically utilitarian, but that is not to say the localities cannot push to incorporate other features such as "meander" and fish habitat. Hopefully they get a chance to put some bonus features in the flood control project.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:52:08 PM UTC-4 Miles wrote:
So around fifteen years ago Alexandria and Arlington put together an amazing plan to revitalize 4MR. The drawings are beautiful. They're like those sci-fi movies where the poor people have to live in one place and the rich people live somewhere so much nicer that it's oppressive. The drawings look like the rich place.

Eleven years ago I went to a public meeting about how they were ready to get to work. It was pretty exciting: one of the things they said they would do was improve the stream bed, because 4MR had 'lost its meander'. They were going to make a deeper main channel and lots of undercut holes for fish to hide in, that sort of thing. I was looking forward to fishing a totally different 4MR in a few short years.

Maybe six years ago or so, they did some of the work, made the pond, but 4MR still looks a lot like 4MR, and not much like the drawings. Still a real strong District 13 vibe. Not that I'm complaining -- I fish there.

Arlington says the project is 'complete' (here) but apparently there are still meetings happening and more work is planned to be done. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the dredging is to be integrated into the ongoing restoration project.

Point being, it's not clear to me whether the dredging will create the 'meander' the Master Plan calls for (with deep holes for fish), or if this is going to be a more utilitarian project strictly for flood control. Much as I hope to see the 'rich place' version of 4MR some day, I'm not holding my breath. But any channel in 4MR would be an improvement.

Also, today I learned that the stream that enters at Troy Park is called 'Lower Long Branch'. I did not realize Long Branch Nature Center is on the Upper Long Branch, so I thought maybe they were proposing to dredge from (Upper) Long Branch all the way to the Potomac in six months. This watershed map made it a lot clearer.

-Miles
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:48:31 PM UTC-4 dlaz...@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew S. thank you for the new perspective. Much appreciated.

Daniel


On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:14 PM Andrew Sarcinello <andy...@gmail.com> wrote:
While it is not my specialty I have had a small role in developing 2 or 3 dredging plans at my job. My guess is the proper disposal of the dredged material costs just as much as the dredging itself. There are likely pollutants within the dredged material that require special considerations for storage so as to not leach back into the environment - it's only a theory since I have no direct knowledge of this project, but if true it would drive the cost up pretty quickly.

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 5:10:55 PM UTC-4 dlaz...@gmail.com wrote:
If those yellow circles represent the dredging area, it doesn't look like we are getting very much for our $5 million dollars.

Daniel


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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Dredging Four Mile Run

Some I do on the bridges: https://www.fourmilerun.org/2022/03/bridges-of-lower-four-mile-run-updates.html?m=1


As for the sediment removal it will be considered toxic and stored somewhere or buried. I worked on a similar issue where mercury leaked into a office building onsite sewage treatment facility. All of the gravel and sand was trucked off somewhere for storage. 

Hoping the boat ramp on four mile is updated to get barges or diggers in there. 

Lovely job walking around with a mercury meter and sewage - that goes for leesburg site and four mile.   

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On Mar 24, 2022, at 11:30 AM, Andrew Sarcinello <andysarce@gmail.com> wrote:

Any time the Army Corps is involved in flood control it is typically utilitarian, but that is not to say the localities cannot push to incorporate other features such as "meander" and fish habitat. Hopefully they get a chance to put some bonus features in the flood control project.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:52:08 PM UTC-4 Miles wrote:
So around fifteen years ago Alexandria and Arlington put together an amazing plan to revitalize 4MR. The drawings are beautiful. They're like those sci-fi movies where the poor people have to live in one place and the rich people live somewhere so much nicer that it's oppressive. The drawings look like the rich place.

Eleven years ago I went to a public meeting about how they were ready to get to work. It was pretty exciting: one of the things they said they would do was improve the stream bed, because 4MR had 'lost its meander'. They were going to make a deeper main channel and lots of undercut holes for fish to hide in, that sort of thing. I was looking forward to fishing a totally different 4MR in a few short years.

Maybe six years ago or so, they did some of the work, made the pond, but 4MR still looks a lot like 4MR, and not much like the drawings. Still a real strong District 13 vibe. Not that I'm complaining -- I fish there.

Arlington says the project is 'complete' (here) but apparently there are still meetings happening and more work is planned to be done. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the dredging is to be integrated into the ongoing restoration project.

Point being, it's not clear to me whether the dredging will create the 'meander' the Master Plan calls for (with deep holes for fish), or if this is going to be a more utilitarian project strictly for flood control. Much as I hope to see the 'rich place' version of 4MR some day, I'm not holding my breath. But any channel in 4MR would be an improvement.

Also, today I learned that the stream that enters at Troy Park is called 'Lower Long Branch'. I did not realize Long Branch Nature Center is on the Upper Long Branch, so I thought maybe they were proposing to dredge from (Upper) Long Branch all the way to the Potomac in six months. This watershed map made it a lot clearer.

-Miles
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:48:31 PM UTC-4 dlaz...@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew S. thank you for the new perspective. Much appreciated.

Daniel


On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:14 PM Andrew Sarcinello <andy...@gmail.com> wrote:
While it is not my specialty I have had a small role in developing 2 or 3 dredging plans at my job. My guess is the proper disposal of the dredged material costs just as much as the dredging itself. There are likely pollutants within the dredged material that require special considerations for storage so as to not leach back into the environment - it's only a theory since I have no direct knowledge of this project, but if true it would drive the cost up pretty quickly.

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 5:10:55 PM UTC-4 dlaz...@gmail.com wrote:
If those yellow circles represent the dredging area, it doesn't look like we are getting very much for our $5 million dollars.

Daniel


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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Dredging Four Mile Run

Any time the Army Corps is involved in flood control it is typically utilitarian, but that is not to say the localities cannot push to incorporate other features such as "meander" and fish habitat. Hopefully they get a chance to put some bonus features in the flood control project.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:52:08 PM UTC-4 Miles wrote:
So around fifteen years ago Alexandria and Arlington put together an amazing plan to revitalize 4MR. The drawings are beautiful. They're like those sci-fi movies where the poor people have to live in one place and the rich people live somewhere so much nicer that it's oppressive. The drawings look like the rich place.

Eleven years ago I went to a public meeting about how they were ready to get to work. It was pretty exciting: one of the things they said they would do was improve the stream bed, because 4MR had 'lost its meander'. They were going to make a deeper main channel and lots of undercut holes for fish to hide in, that sort of thing. I was looking forward to fishing a totally different 4MR in a few short years.

Maybe six years ago or so, they did some of the work, made the pond, but 4MR still looks a lot like 4MR, and not much like the drawings. Still a real strong District 13 vibe. Not that I'm complaining -- I fish there.

Arlington says the project is 'complete' (here) but apparently there are still meetings happening and more work is planned to be done. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the dredging is to be integrated into the ongoing restoration project.

Point being, it's not clear to me whether the dredging will create the 'meander' the Master Plan calls for (with deep holes for fish), or if this is going to be a more utilitarian project strictly for flood control. Much as I hope to see the 'rich place' version of 4MR some day, I'm not holding my breath. But any channel in 4MR would be an improvement.

Also, today I learned that the stream that enters at Troy Park is called 'Lower Long Branch'. I did not realize Long Branch Nature Center is on the Upper Long Branch, so I thought maybe they were proposing to dredge from (Upper) Long Branch all the way to the Potomac in six months. This watershed map made it a lot clearer.

-Miles
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:48:31 PM UTC-4 dlaz...@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew S. thank you for the new perspective. Much appreciated.

Daniel


On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:14 PM Andrew Sarcinello <andy...@gmail.com> wrote:
While it is not my specialty I have had a small role in developing 2 or 3 dredging plans at my job. My guess is the proper disposal of the dredged material costs just as much as the dredging itself. There are likely pollutants within the dredged material that require special considerations for storage so as to not leach back into the environment - it's only a theory since I have no direct knowledge of this project, but if true it would drive the cost up pretty quickly.

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 5:10:55 PM UTC-4 dlaz...@gmail.com wrote:
If those yellow circles represent the dredging area, it doesn't look like we are getting very much for our $5 million dollars.

Daniel


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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Dredging Four Mile Run

So around fifteen years ago Alexandria and Arlington put together an amazing plan to revitalize 4MR. The drawings are beautiful. They're like those sci-fi movies where the poor people have to live in one place and the rich people live somewhere so much nicer that it's oppressive. The drawings look like the rich place.

Eleven years ago I went to a public meeting about how they were ready to get to work. It was pretty exciting: one of the things they said they would do was improve the stream bed, because 4MR had 'lost its meander'. They were going to make a deeper main channel and lots of undercut holes for fish to hide in, that sort of thing. I was looking forward to fishing a totally different 4MR in a few short years.

Maybe six years ago or so, they did some of the work, made the pond, but 4MR still looks a lot like 4MR, and not much like the drawings. Still a real strong District 13 vibe. Not that I'm complaining -- I fish there.

Arlington says the project is 'complete' (here) but apparently there are still meetings happening and more work is planned to be done. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the dredging is to be integrated into the ongoing restoration project.

Point being, it's not clear to me whether the dredging will create the 'meander' the Master Plan calls for (with deep holes for fish), or if this is going to be a more utilitarian project strictly for flood control. Much as I hope to see the 'rich place' version of 4MR some day, I'm not holding my breath. But any channel in 4MR would be an improvement.

Also, today I learned that the stream that enters at Troy Park is called 'Lower Long Branch'. I did not realize Long Branch Nature Center is on the Upper Long Branch, so I thought maybe they were proposing to dredge from (Upper) Long Branch all the way to the Potomac in six months. This watershed map made it a lot clearer.

-Miles
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:48:31 PM UTC-4 dlaz...@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew S. thank you for the new perspective. Much appreciated.

Daniel


On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:14 PM Andrew Sarcinello <andy...@gmail.com> wrote:
While it is not my specialty I have had a small role in developing 2 or 3 dredging plans at my job. My guess is the proper disposal of the dredged material costs just as much as the dredging itself. There are likely pollutants within the dredged material that require special considerations for storage so as to not leach back into the environment - it's only a theory since I have no direct knowledge of this project, but if true it would drive the cost up pretty quickly.

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 5:10:55 PM UTC-4 dlaz...@gmail.com wrote:
If those yellow circles represent the dredging area, it doesn't look like we are getting very much for our $5 million dollars.

Daniel


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