Friday, August 29, 2014

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Question about Salmon River Access

There is minimal water that you can fish down there without getting a DSR pass and it isn't great water to fish with a flyrod.  Honestly, if you are going to be there this weekend I would get a pass and give it a shot.  It could be good.  They usually release water this weekend which gets the fish moving.  I haven't been keeping track this season to know if that is the case.  Obviously labor day is a tad early this weekend so who knows.

Call malindas and see what they tell you.  That is the best shop on the river.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 1:14:42 PM UTC-4, Terry C wrote:
I am going to be up near the S.R. this weekend and might as well go over and see if any early fish are in.  My thought is they would be hanging around the mouth of the river near Selkirk state park.   Anyone know about the access in that area and how far above the rt 3 bridge does the DSR start.  I usually fish up river and don't know that area.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Question about Salmon River Access

Not sure about access.  But a friend of mine lives up that way.  His advice to me was since im only interested in browns, wait till the first freeze.  TCO fly shop is a good source of info. 

Thanks,

Danny
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On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Terry C <flycstrva56@gmail.com> wrote:
I am going to be up near the S.R. this weekend and might as well go over and see if any early fish are in.  My thought is they would be hanging around the mouth of the river near Selkirk state park.   Anyone know about the access in that area and how far above the rt 3 bridge does the DSR start.  I usually fish up river and don't know that area.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: The Gauntlet.

For flies, I might actually go with a smaller damsel nymph.  Imitates a swimmer nymph for trout, and great for bass and carp.


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On Aug 29, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Brendan <brendanlilly@gmail.com> wrote:

Would be happy doing just one of these this weekend... or simply trying and failing. unfortunately not looking likely. 

think you'd have to hit PA or Mossy/Dry/Shenandoah to have a chance. finding holdover trout of that size outside of spring creeks is pretty tough. 

Atomic Hopper, Popper (have caught several big PA browns on 'em), Crayfish pattern or Wooly Bugger would be best guess on flies. 

Good luck and post pics! 

B

 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 10:28:22 AM UTC-4, Remick wrote:
Haha you're A-OK in my book, Misha! I'm in the same boat there. One hell of an accomplishment regardless. Tight lines, brotha!

On Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:03:31 PM UTC-4, Remick wrote:
Gentlemen,

With the long weekend coming up and fall quickly approaching - I wanted to propose a challenge to all that:

A) truly represents the diversity of our region's fisheries
B) showcases just a smidge of angling ability (but mostly gumption and luck)
C) forces folks outside of their comfort zone of being strictly a trout, bass, or carp guy.

With that said, I'd like to propose The Gauntlet -  a grueling way to lay waste to 24 hrs and an excuse to fish harder and potentially longer than anyone thought possible.  That said, you could complete The Gauntlet in 4-well placed casts if you were so lucky - but c'mon now...where's the fun in that? 

Without further adieu, here's what me and some fellow fly dudes (TPFRers Connor Donnovan, Kevin Huntington, Clarence Fullard) came up with and what we are attempting to accomplish this weekend.

Mission: Catch one of each in 24hrs
  • 20+" Brown or Rainbow Trout
  • 10+" brook trout OR 18+" striper
  • 18+" smallmouth
  • Carp (any size)
Rules: 
  • Fly-fishing only. 
  • Similar to a one-fly tournament you're stuck with one pattern and the rod/reel/line combo you start with. Choose wisely. 
  • Catch, Snap, and Release format (fish are measured and photographed with time stamp to verify size/staying within time limit)
Prize: 
  • Undying respect.
  • One hell of a story for the next beer-tie 
  • My sticker-ridden, hook-infested automobile*
Think you've got what it takes? 



*If above requirements are met by a worthy angler, the poster has no legal obligation to award his vehicle as a prize. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Monocacy River

I was able to fish the Monocacy River for the first time yesterday. While the water was slightly stained and the fishing rather slow (only able to get out for a few hours mid-day), it was still great to wet a line, make some casts and hook into some fish. The very last cast of the day produced the only true bruiser (pictured), a surprisingly large cat fish. Plentiful amounts of pan fish and smallies available in the likely holding spots - even a few willing to take off the surface. Good times!

Marek

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Question about Salmon River Access

I am going to be up near the S.R. this weekend and might as well go over and see if any early fish are in.  My thought is they would be hanging around the mouth of the river near Selkirk state park.   Anyone know about the access in that area and how far above the rt 3 bridge does the DSR start.  I usually fish up river and don't know that area.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: The Gauntlet.

Would be happy doing just one of these this weekend... or simply trying and failing. unfortunately not looking likely. 

think you'd have to hit PA or Mossy/Dry/Shenandoah to have a chance. finding holdover trout of that size outside of spring creeks is pretty tough. 

Atomic Hopper, Popper (have caught several big PA browns on 'em), Crayfish pattern or Wooly Bugger would be best guess on flies. 

Good luck and post pics! 

B

 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 10:28:22 AM UTC-4, Remick wrote:
Haha you're A-OK in my book, Misha! I'm in the same boat there. One hell of an accomplishment regardless. Tight lines, brotha!

On Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:03:31 PM UTC-4, Remick wrote:
Gentlemen,

With the long weekend coming up and fall quickly approaching - I wanted to propose a challenge to all that:

A) truly represents the diversity of our region's fisheries
B) showcases just a smidge of angling ability (but mostly gumption and luck)
C) forces folks outside of their comfort zone of being strictly a trout, bass, or carp guy.

With that said, I'd like to propose The Gauntlet -  a grueling way to lay waste to 24 hrs and an excuse to fish harder and potentially longer than anyone thought possible.  That said, you could complete The Gauntlet in 4-well placed casts if you were so lucky - but c'mon now...where's the fun in that? 

Without further adieu, here's what me and some fellow fly dudes (TPFRers Connor Donnovan, Kevin Huntington, Clarence Fullard) came up with and what we are attempting to accomplish this weekend.

Mission: Catch one of each in 24hrs
  • 20+" Brown or Rainbow Trout
  • 10+" brook trout OR 18+" striper
  • 18+" smallmouth
  • Carp (any size)
Rules: 
  • Fly-fishing only. 
  • Similar to a one-fly tournament you're stuck with one pattern and the rod/reel/line combo you start with. Choose wisely. 
  • Catch, Snap, and Release format (fish are measured and photographed with time stamp to verify size/staying within time limit)
Prize: 
  • Undying respect.
  • One hell of a story for the next beer-tie 
  • My sticker-ridden, hook-infested automobile*
Think you've got what it takes? 



*If above requirements are met by a worthy angler, the poster has no legal obligation to award his vehicle as a prize. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: The Gauntlet.

Haha you're A-OK in my book, Misha! I'm in the same boat there. One hell of an accomplishment regardless. Tight lines, brotha!

On Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:03:31 PM UTC-4, Remick wrote:
Gentlemen,

With the long weekend coming up and fall quickly approaching - I wanted to propose a challenge to all that:

A) truly represents the diversity of our region's fisheries
B) showcases just a smidge of angling ability (but mostly gumption and luck)
C) forces folks outside of their comfort zone of being strictly a trout, bass, or carp guy.

With that said, I'd like to propose The Gauntlet -  a grueling way to lay waste to 24 hrs and an excuse to fish harder and potentially longer than anyone thought possible.  That said, you could complete The Gauntlet in 4-well placed casts if you were so lucky - but c'mon now...where's the fun in that? 

Without further adieu, here's what me and some fellow fly dudes (TPFRers Connor Donnovan, Kevin Huntington, Clarence Fullard) came up with and what we are attempting to accomplish this weekend.

Mission: Catch one of each in 24hrs
  • 20+" Brown or Rainbow Trout
  • 10+" brook trout OR 18+" striper
  • 18+" smallmouth
  • Carp (any size)
Rules: 
  • Fly-fishing only. 
  • Similar to a one-fly tournament you're stuck with one pattern and the rod/reel/line combo you start with. Choose wisely. 
  • Catch, Snap, and Release format (fish are measured and photographed with time stamp to verify size/staying within time limit)
Prize: 
  • Undying respect.
  • One hell of a story for the next beer-tie 
  • My sticker-ridden, hook-infested automobile*
Think you've got what it takes? 



*If above requirements are met by a worthy angler, the poster has no legal obligation to award his vehicle as a prize. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: The Gauntlet.

Remick, heck of an idea! Would be a swell accomplishment. I am going to shoot on goal, however I will be disregarding rule #2. I am unwilling to limit myself to one fly for the entire labor day weekend. Not that I don't think I could do it (black woolly bugger would get the job done), it's just that I tie flies and I like to use them. Think of me what you will. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: NMFS's Recreational Saltwater Fisheries Policy

Brad, thanks for fleshing out the conversation. I'm glad I didn't accept what Witek said at face value. It didn't really make sense to me that CCA would take a purely commercial perspective on the policy. Personally, I am against privatization of fishing rights, but I don't have all the answers. I will definitely keep track of the ongoing dialogue over the policy. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: The Gauntlet.

Yea, if I was gonna try this I'd go to Shenandoah.  Hit whatever stocked streams are still cold enough for a rainbow/brown, hike down from Skyline to nab an eager brookie, hop in the river for a smallie, then hit the canal on the way home.

I'll leave this for someone else tho...


On Friday, August 29, 2014 8:27:49 AM UTC-4, Remick wrote:
I think it'd take more luck than anything else to be honest. Everything would have to line up right. Geographically speaking, I'm not sure there'd be THAT much driving. It's all about strategy. The first thing that came to mind when brainstorming was a Beaver Creek MD-Harper's Ferry combo where you fish early and late in the day for the big brown or bow and then try to sight fish the smallie and carp during the mid-day hours. Another option would be fishing one of the DH streams in VA that border the Shenandoah. I definitely think it's doable. The striper/brookie is the wild card.

On Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:03:31 PM UTC-4, Remick wrote:
Gentlemen,

With the long weekend coming up and fall quickly approaching - I wanted to propose a challenge to all that:

A) truly represents the diversity of our region's fisheries
B) showcases just a smidge of angling ability (but mostly gumption and luck)
C) forces folks outside of their comfort zone of being strictly a trout, bass, or carp guy.

With that said, I'd like to propose The Gauntlet -  a grueling way to lay waste to 24 hrs and an excuse to fish harder and potentially longer than anyone thought possible.  That said, you could complete The Gauntlet in 4-well placed casts if you were so lucky - but c'mon now...where's the fun in that? 

Without further adieu, here's what me and some fellow fly dudes (TPFRers Connor Donnovan, Kevin Huntington, Clarence Fullard) came up with and what we are attempting to accomplish this weekend.

Mission: Catch one of each in 24hrs
  • 20+" Brown or Rainbow Trout
  • 10+" brook trout OR 18+" striper
  • 18+" smallmouth
  • Carp (any size)
Rules: 
  • Fly-fishing only. 
  • Similar to a one-fly tournament you're stuck with one pattern and the rod/reel/line combo you start with. Choose wisely. 
  • Catch, Snap, and Release format (fish are measured and photographed with time stamp to verify size/staying within time limit)
Prize: 
  • Undying respect.
  • One hell of a story for the next beer-tie 
  • My sticker-ridden, hook-infested automobile*
Think you've got what it takes? 



*If above requirements are met by a worthy angler, the poster has no legal obligation to award his vehicle as a prize. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: The Gauntlet.

I think it'd take more luck than anything else to be honest. Everything would have to line up right. Geographically speaking, I'm not sure there'd be THAT much driving. It's all about strategy. The first thing that came to mind when brainstorming was a Beaver Creek MD-Harper's Ferry combo where you fish early and late in the day for the big brown or bow and then try to sight fish the smallie and carp during the mid-day hours. Another option would be fishing one of the DH streams in VA that border the Shenandoah. I definitely think it's doable. The striper/brookie is the wild card.

On Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:03:31 PM UTC-4, Remick wrote:
Gentlemen,

With the long weekend coming up and fall quickly approaching - I wanted to propose a challenge to all that:

A) truly represents the diversity of our region's fisheries
B) showcases just a smidge of angling ability (but mostly gumption and luck)
C) forces folks outside of their comfort zone of being strictly a trout, bass, or carp guy.

With that said, I'd like to propose The Gauntlet -  a grueling way to lay waste to 24 hrs and an excuse to fish harder and potentially longer than anyone thought possible.  That said, you could complete The Gauntlet in 4-well placed casts if you were so lucky - but c'mon now...where's the fun in that? 

Without further adieu, here's what me and some fellow fly dudes (TPFRers Connor Donnovan, Kevin Huntington, Clarence Fullard) came up with and what we are attempting to accomplish this weekend.

Mission: Catch one of each in 24hrs
  • 20+" Brown or Rainbow Trout
  • 10+" brook trout OR 18+" striper
  • 18+" smallmouth
  • Carp (any size)
Rules: 
  • Fly-fishing only. 
  • Similar to a one-fly tournament you're stuck with one pattern and the rod/reel/line combo you start with. Choose wisely. 
  • Catch, Snap, and Release format (fish are measured and photographed with time stamp to verify size/staying within time limit)
Prize: 
  • Undying respect.
  • One hell of a story for the next beer-tie 
  • My sticker-ridden, hook-infested automobile*
Think you've got what it takes? 



*If above requirements are met by a worthy angler, the poster has no legal obligation to award his vehicle as a prize. 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: The Gauntlet.

"Warrior needs food, badly!"

Another Gauntlet fan here Gene!

Dan Davala


On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 8:11 AM, TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> wrote:
That sounds like a young man's game Remick ;).

We gotta move this weekend, and if we manage it in 1.5 days and still make it to SNP -- that'll be our gauntlet.  

Of course, I played a lot of Gauntlet as well  -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauntlet_(1985_video_game)  I liked the fast, Elf dude.  

Gene


On Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:23:00 PM UTC-4, Josh Cohn wrote:
thats a lot of driving

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: The Gauntlet.

That sounds like a young man's game Remick ;).

We gotta move this weekend, and if we manage it in 1.5 days and still make it to SNP -- that'll be our gauntlet.  

Of course, I played a lot of Gauntlet as well  -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauntlet_(1985_video_game)  I liked the fast, Elf dude.  

Gene

On Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:23:00 PM UTC-4, Josh Cohn wrote:
thats a lot of driving

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Thursday, August 28, 2014

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: The Gauntlet.

thats a lot of driving

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} The Gauntlet.

Gentlemen,

With the long weekend coming up and fall quickly approaching - I wanted to propose a challenge to all that:

A) truly represents the diversity of our region's fisheries
B) showcases just a smidge of angling ability (but mostly gumption and luck)
C) forces folks outside of their comfort zone of being strictly a trout, bass, or carp guy.

With that said, I'd like to propose The Gauntlet -  a grueling way to lay waste to 24 hrs and an excuse to fish harder and potentially longer than anyone thought possible.  That said, you could complete The Gauntlet in 4-well placed casts if you were so lucky - but c'mon now...where's the fun in that? 

Without further adieu, here's what me and some fellow fly dudes (TPFRers Connor Donnovan, Kevin Huntington, Clarence Fullard) came up with and what we are attempting to accomplish this weekend.

Mission: Catch one of each in 24hrs
  • 20+" Brown or Rainbow Trout
  • 10+" brook trout OR 18+" striper
  • 18+" smallmouth
  • Carp (any size)
Rules: 
  • Fly-fishing only. 
  • Similar to a one-fly tournament you're stuck with one pattern and the rod/reel/line combo you start with. Choose wisely. 
  • Catch, Snap, and Release format (fish are measured and photographed with time stamp to verify size/staying within time limit)
Prize: 
  • Undying respect.
  • One hell of a story for the next beer-tie 
  • My sticker-ridden, hook-infested automobile*
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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: NMFS's Recreational Saltwater Fisheries Policy

If anyone is interested in learning more about what is going on with striped bass in MD, CCA is hosting a symposium. Details here http://www.ccamd.org/?ai1ec_event=fisheries-symposium&instance_id=2305

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Wednesday, August 27, 2014

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Chasing Vermiculatedbacks in Shenandoah National Park

Argh! A swing and a miss Gene, oh well you tried.

I have not really played with the furled leaders to much for the same reason you pointed out. However, I have started adding heavy tippet to the butt end of my leaders which does seem to turn over the fly better than adding tippet to the thin terminal end. Also seems like a much less visible option that a furled leader. 

-Trent 



On Monday, August 25, 2014 8:53:43 AM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
Trent!  We took the challenge Saturday, but I was not able to land one on a small blue popper.  I did try in several deeper spots where I suspected large fish might take a whack at it, but no luck.  If anyone else wants to try it, I recommend upping the tippet on your dry fly leader a bit to prevent twist on those dudes (probably obvious to most, but just in case you usually only bring 5-7X to SNP or whatever).  I don't generally fish dries larger than a #14, so the #8 or 10 popper was like fishing out West for me.  

Despite that, Beth absolutely crushed the place and managed 26 on the same beetle!  I managed less than 1/2 that many and lost interest when I found an ambystomatid salamander!  (No Red Efts though). I believe it to be a Jefferson Salamander, but I'll post the picture later and maybe someone knows for sure.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_salamander.  I gotta upload that one still.  

Anyway -- fish were still biting in the rain, and brother it rained all day!  I've been fishing a lot of CDC/ELK and CDC comparaduns, etc. lately and haven't given my terrestrials a fair chance...but they worked like crazy Saturday.  I was watching Beth fish a stretch at one point and she snagged a tree behind her on a missed hook set, which resulted in her pulling her own beetle down along with someone else's length of tippet attached to a #16 parachute adams ;).  No rust, so I assume the person was there right before us and likely did the exact same thing on that pocket.  

The beetle is essentially tied in the same style as Rob's Japanese beetle, but with black rubber legs in the "X" shape.  I like the doubled-over foam for floatation and visibility.  

Sorry -- no dollar for me!  We'll try to make the next tie regardless, if you're there we can tell lies up at the bar.  

Gene

On Friday, August 22, 2014 8:35:44 AM UTC-4, John wrote:
Agree on leaders but I know folks who like them. 
John


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On Aug 22, 2014, at 8:02 AM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess that would work -- I've occasionally laid the line over 1 or more rocks on upstream or across-upstream casts and it provides a great drift. 

I'll try the popper thing next time just for the heck of it -- why not?  

Trent (all):  Any of you tinker with furled leaders for dry fly fishing?  I have several of them (made from uni thread) treated with red mucilin, but I can't decide if I like it any better than the 30 > 20 > 10 > 8 > 4 > 5-6X ones I seem to be using lately out there.  I get the "they turn over" better portion, but in the end - you end up with a fairly visible 6' leader with 3-6' tippet vs. the traditional, mostly invisible tapered leader. 

Plus, dry fly leaders with 3-4' tippet to pile up....it doesn't seem that turn-over is necessarily a benefit, at least within the last several feet on the fly-end.   I dunno -- haven't decided yet.  

Gene

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:01:55 PM UTC-4, Trent Jones wrote:

I had never really tossed much big stuff either, but figured it would be fun to try. If I had a mouse pattern I would have put that on at the end. Teeth? I must have gone through a half dozen ant/beetles because they kept chewing the indicator off!

 I usually fish the tail by angling a cast from the right or left so I can drape most or all of the fly line over  rocks and just have leader on the water. Its best when you have a nice big flat rock in the 5-hole (Terry & Hockey fans). I almost always get the alpha fish to eat in that type of pool configuration.

 In an effort to confuse the boundaries between Bronzeback and Vermiculatedback fishing, I want to take a Brookie on a blue popper in the future. If you pull it off this weekend and have a photo, I will have a dollar bill with your name on it at the next Beer tie Gene....or Beth. contestvalidtogeneandbethonlyonedollarbillpayablepercouplenotliableforinjuireswhileinpursuitofbrookies
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-Trent 



On Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:16:44 AM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
Beth and I found the same thing to be true recently as well (spookier than normal fish with low water in SNP, but still some decent action).  I've never tried anything as large as you describe, but recently I've added parachute ants into the mix and they seem to catch just as well as the usual EHC I tend to always tie on.  I should experiment more -- Maybe we'll be able to sneak out between the rain this weekend...

Fishing the tails of pools is hard, but I did take a big one out of a tail a few trips ago (cut me with its teeth).  Usually the tail is spilling over with enough flow to make an upstream cast difficult without instant drag, and sometimes there isn't enough cover to sneak in there for an across or across/down cast.  Though I've spooked enough of them to know they hang there ;).  

Holy cow, fishing some of the tribs to the Savage taught us how clumsy and careless we were!  Those were the most spooky brook trout I've ever seen -- 

Gene

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:15:49 PM UTC-4, Trent Jones wrote:
I know summertime generally has people out chasing bronzebacks, but I have been unable to cast a fly at a trout in a couple months and had a really bad jones for some Vermiculatedbacks. Given that it has been a cool summer I headed out to Shenandoah National Park for some brook trouting, figuring the water may be low but should be cool. Thermo read 63f at 2:00pm. I missed the first few strikes until I got my timing back. Ants, Beetles, and Hoppers all worked. The best fun of the day was when I put on a size 6 or 8 cartoon hopper... it was big and obnoxious, but the big fish took savage strikes at it. The water was low and the fish were spookier than normal, but the fishing was still good. LOTS of rain on the drive back, I would bet the large influx of cool water will have the northern park streams fishing well the next few days. Walk slow to pick off the big fish at the tail of the pool. 
 
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Tuesday, August 26, 2014

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: NMFS's Recreational Saltwater Fisheries Policy

Oh brother. Does anyone listen to Witek anymore?

In the interest of full disclosure, I work for CCA National and was very involved in CCA MD. I also work for NMFS and other NGO's. In an interest of fuller disclosure, Witek used to work for CCA. This reeks of sour grapes.

Witek couldn't be further off the mark, frankly. The National Policy was not created for red snapper. The National Policy process was proposed at the last Recreational Fishing Summit, hosted my NMFS, this past spring. I was a participant in the summit. The recreational industry and recreational advocacy groups proposed the policy in response to NMFS own admission that it had a commercial fisheries bias. It is a response to repeated attempts by the Councils and NMFS to manage fisheries as if only commercial outputs are important. The crux of the argument is that recreational anglers are motivated far differently than commercial fishermen, that recreational fishermen prefer abundance over maximum sustained yield, that absolute certainty in catch levels is neither attainable or necessary for recreational fisheries management, there has to be some process for changing allocations that doesn't simply reward past mistakes and, finally, policy makers should think long and hard about privatizing public resources when one of those resource users is the recreational sector. None of these issue are specific to red snapper, we just happen to seem them being played out in the most onerous way possible in red snapper.

Let's take the last point as one example. Bill Bird was referring to waiting to further privatize the red snapper fishery until after NMFS and the recreational community have decided if catch shares, or privatizing the public fishery resource, is indeed appropriate for mixed commercial/recreational fisheries. As a bit of context, red snapper is fully recovered but is still within the legally mandated recovery window. The stock is likely much larger than is currently estimated. Last year the overall quota was raised several million pounds. But because the stock is so thick and the individual fish are increasing in size, recreational catch-per-unit effort is through the roof. So this year it takes less effort to catch the same amount of fish as last year. But the mortality rate is stable or falling. Seasons get shorter and shorter. This year's recreational season will be 9 days. Except on the commercial side. They were granted a private right to the red snapper and can catch those fish whenever they want. So now the charter/for-hire industry wants in on the stability. So they are going to take more than half the current recreational quota and privatize it in Amendment 40. If that Amendment passes, it will be the end of the private recreational red snapper fishery. Within a year, they will close Federal waters to the private angler completely unless they can afford to go out on a charter or headboat. All of this is happening while the stock is in better shape than ever and while NMFS economic analysis indicates that the recreational sector should have their allocation of red snapper increased. 

Catch shares have shown to be excellent tools in commercial fisheries. 60% of all boats leave the fishery practically overnight. They make the remaining participants wealthy instantaneously. The jury is out regarding whether or not they have stock benefits. But never mind that; NMFS is hell bent on instituting them in all fisheries. However, every time catch shares are instituted in a mixed commercial/recreational fishery, the recreational sector is crushed. Do some reading on AK halibut. Many in the recreational community think our public resources should not ever be privatized. Would you like to manage a portfolio of tags for all the fish you wanted to keep? Worrying about being able to find a few striper tags on Craigslist before you went fishing? Or maybe there wouldn't be any trade and you'd put your name in a hat for a random draw of tags. Most recreational anglers are not interested in that. Most are more interested in the opportunity to go fishing. How would this impact catch and release fishing? Would they allow trading and sale of recreational tags? There are more questions than answers. Bird's statement is maybe we should answer some of those questions before we blindly go down that road. Recreational catch shares HAVE NEVER been used in recreational fisheries. There are currently two studies evaluating their use underway. They may work. They may not. But it should be investigated before implementation. Maybe we should at least wait until the studies that are underway are completed. That is what Bird is saying.

Instead, Amendment 40 is being rushed through without that analysis. Many feel that the North American wildlife management model should be applied to saltwater fisheries. Where it has been used, it has been very successful (read all inshore species in the Gulf, all freshwater fisheries, all hunting). The states do not manage to a hard quota in saltwater, they manage to a mortality rate and they set that rate to maximize abundance and opportunity. And it works. CCA isn't asking for more fish for more fishes sake and certainly not asking for more fish if those increases would jeopardized stock health. CCA is a conservation association. Just look at their call for a voluntary 1 fish bag limit in MD.  All CCA, and the rest of the recreational community is asking for, is some flexibility and a halt of the privatization process until NMFS can examine the issue fully. Right now, NMFS, the Council and the commercial quota holders think the only option forward with red snapper is limited entry; some sort of tag based system that limits the number of anglers. And that may indeed be necessary. But the way into that as a solution isn't privatization without any analysis. What Witek also fails to mention is that public comment, from both the charter/for-hire sector and the private recreational community, is overwhelmingly opposed to Amendment 40. 

I'm happy to talk more about this stuff on or off line. I'm headed to the Council meeting tomorrow to watch how Amendment 40 plays out in real time. 

Thanks for posting this up. If you love the resource, you need to stay up on policy. And get involved. But make sure your sources of information go beyond me and certainly beyond the blogosphere. Get educated. Pay attention. Act. 

Brad

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I read this interesting blog post about the National Marine Fisheries Service's (A division of NOAA) proposed Recreational Saltwater Fisheries Policy and thought you all might be interested. I am interested to get yalls perspectives. The author of the post essentially claims that the Coastal Conservation Association is trying to hijack or dilute the new policy to suit its constituency's purposes, which is selling tackle to Gulf of Mexico anglers chasing Red Snapper. Fair warning, the tone of the article is a little shrill, but if there's any truth to it then it's pretty alarming. You can also comment directly on the proposed policy here if after reading you want to take action. 

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Monday, August 25, 2014

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fishing Teddy Roosevelt Island

backing up what Dan is saying -- the mud there is not something you want to mess with. 

also be careful when under the 66 bridge it's kinda falling apart --  had a large chunk fall in the water close to my canoe. 



 

On Monday, August 18, 2014 2:07:35 PM UTC-4, Dan Davala - Founder/President wrote:
It can be done.  Here is a report I put up back in 2010:  https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tidal-potomac-fly-rodders/bIep25hmCEE/2dGQr7W9x4sJ

That said, I cannot in good conscience recommend wading under the 66 bridge as it as a very soft bottom and getting stuck in the mud (i.e. drowning) is a very real possibility.  In the years since that post, I have had some good mornings fishing the tidal flow between the abutments from a kayak with a sinking line and a half & half.

Dan Davala


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:43 PM, HermanyorFlorida <m.herm...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not that it work all that well with the fly rod, but I have seen a striper caught, over the railing in the middle of the pedestrian bridge.  

On Monday, August 11, 2014 8:53:33 AM UTC-4, Paul Kalajainen wrote:
I've never caught any Stipers there, but I've done okay on other fish.  I've caught blue gills on a variety of topwater flies, a couple of largemouth on woolly buggers.  It's tough to find room for the fly rod there, I've been there with spinning gear and caught some largemouth on rapalas too.

Paul

On Saturday, August 9, 2014 7:07:22 PM UTC-4, Jefferson Robertson wrote:
I have tried fishing Teddy Roosevelt a handful of times now, and have come up empty each time. Anyone have any suggestions? My main target are stripers off the beaches - I've seen them a few times along the beaches while jogging along the island / up not eh Rte 50 bridge. I've tried throwing a few clousers, poppers, and wooly buggers, but haven't been able to get any bites. I have also tried fishing for some of the smaller fish I've seen along there (can't tell what they are) with adams flies, and a damsel tied to a popper, but haven't had any luck on those either. What does everyone fish for over there, and what do you use?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Holy Carp, it's my backing!

Your posts are inspiring me to do more carp fishing! Thanks for the great posts!



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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} NMFS's Recreational Saltwater Fisheries Policy

I read this interesting blog post about the National Marine Fisheries Service's (A division of NOAA) proposed Recreational Saltwater Fisheries Policy and thought you all might be interested. I am interested to get yalls perspectives. The author of the post essentially claims that the Coastal Conservation Association is trying to hijack or dilute the new policy to suit its constituency's purposes, which is selling tackle to Gulf of Mexico anglers chasing Red Snapper. Fair warning, the tone of the article is a little shrill, but if there's any truth to it then it's pretty alarming. You can also comment directly on the proposed policy here if after reading you want to take action. 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Holy Carp, it's my backing!

Great story and fish!  

The DDOE fisheries guys handle large (shocked) carp by placing their thumbs into the eye sockets of the fish as "handles" -- not that I'm suggesting people do it, but it provides for the fact that they're very, very hardy fish and likely suffer few issues from being placed onto the ground.  The fish would probably prefer "grounding" to the broadheads people routinely put through them where it's legal to do so.  

Those are the perfect "hot" sized carp in my experience -- the medium ones seem to provide the best fight to us, but I'll take any carp I can get ;).  

You seem to have figured out a good approach to getting them consistently and you have my respect!  

Gene

On Monday, August 25, 2014 8:55:19 AM UTC-4, Ryan D wrote:
Great looking Carp. I probably should get a net here at some point. Might make life easier.


On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Jeffrey Silvan <jeffre...@gmail.com> wrote:
I spent the weekend fishing up at the canal every day... like usual. I got really dialed in this past weekend. Yesterday, I started exploring a few of the trails down to the main stem of the Potomac which was fun too. I didn't have wading gear, but found some awesome looking areas to hit smallies, and still managed to catch a couple small guys from the shore. I also played in the little "pond" formed by what I believe is Minehaha Branch just to see what's in it. (Hint: sunfish, and I saw a few bass including one that's pushing 6 lbs, and a koi). 

At the end of the day, I decided to poke back down to the Potomac for a minute to look for carp, even though the water was pretty stained from Saturday's rain. Of course, I still couldn't see much of anything with only about 1-2' of visibility. But then I noticed my favorite thing to see - some puffs of silt. I tied on my biggest carp tickler and just waited and watched. After 5 or so minutes of watching, I finally saw the tail poke through the silt and could tell it was a big boy. I dropped my fly just outside the edge of the silt in the shallower water to help me see the fly better. 

As I hoped, the carp saw the tickler, came out of his silt cloak, and gulped the fly. I set the hook, and it got MAD and started running. And kept running. And ran some more. I was into my backing - the first time I've ever had a freshwater fish do that, and he came off about a 10 foot cast. I've only had four fish ever make a run better than that carp's even on spinning gear: a marlin, a sailfish, a bluefin tuna, and a tarpon for the 90 seconds I had him hooked. I finally got some line back on the reel, but he wasn't giving up. It took me about 10 minutes to subdue the beast. I actually feel a bit lucky that I did, because I know how many rocks jut up in that area, and the water was too cloudy to see any of them to try to keep him away. It was lots of keeping a high rod tip to make sure he stayed clear. Of course, my GoPro was long dead. It would've been a great one to have on film.

I apologize ahead of time for the pictures of the carp lying on the ground. I usually try to avoid putting a fish on the ground, but he was just too big for me to hold up with one arm and photograph with the other. To put the size in perspective, my net is 26" overall in length. I also threw in a couple pictures from the weekend that some nice passer-byers offered to take and send to me as they watched me land the fish.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Holy Carp, it's my backing!

Great looking Carp. I probably should get a net here at some point. Might make life easier.


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I spent the weekend fishing up at the canal every day... like usual. I got really dialed in this past weekend. Yesterday, I started exploring a few of the trails down to the main stem of the Potomac which was fun too. I didn't have wading gear, but found some awesome looking areas to hit smallies, and still managed to catch a couple small guys from the shore. I also played in the little "pond" formed by what I believe is Minehaha Branch just to see what's in it. (Hint: sunfish, and I saw a few bass including one that's pushing 6 lbs, and a koi). 

At the end of the day, I decided to poke back down to the Potomac for a minute to look for carp, even though the water was pretty stained from Saturday's rain. Of course, I still couldn't see much of anything with only about 1-2' of visibility. But then I noticed my favorite thing to see - some puffs of silt. I tied on my biggest carp tickler and just waited and watched. After 5 or so minutes of watching, I finally saw the tail poke through the silt and could tell it was a big boy. I dropped my fly just outside the edge of the silt in the shallower water to help me see the fly better. 

As I hoped, the carp saw the tickler, came out of his silt cloak, and gulped the fly. I set the hook, and it got MAD and started running. And kept running. And ran some more. I was into my backing - the first time I've ever had a freshwater fish do that, and he came off about a 10 foot cast. I've only had four fish ever make a run better than that carp's even on spinning gear: a marlin, a sailfish, a bluefin tuna, and a tarpon for the 90 seconds I had him hooked. I finally got some line back on the reel, but he wasn't giving up. It took me about 10 minutes to subdue the beast. I actually feel a bit lucky that I did, because I know how many rocks jut up in that area, and the water was too cloudy to see any of them to try to keep him away. It was lots of keeping a high rod tip to make sure he stayed clear. Of course, my GoPro was long dead. It would've been a great one to have on film.

I apologize ahead of time for the pictures of the carp lying on the ground. I usually try to avoid putting a fish on the ground, but he was just too big for me to hold up with one arm and photograph with the other. To put the size in perspective, my net is 26" overall in length. I also threw in a couple pictures from the weekend that some nice passer-byers offered to take and send to me as they watched me land the fish.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Chasing Vermiculatedbacks in Shenandoah National Park

Trent!  We took the challenge Saturday, but I was not able to land one on a small blue popper.  I did try in several deeper spots where I suspected large fish might take a whack at it, but no luck.  If anyone else wants to try it, I recommend upping the tippet on your dry fly leader a bit to prevent twist on those dudes (probably obvious to most, but just in case you usually only bring 5-7X to SNP or whatever).  I don't generally fish dries larger than a #14, so the #8 or 10 popper was like fishing out West for me.  

Despite that, Beth absolutely crushed the place and managed 26 on the same beetle!  I managed less than 1/2 that many and lost interest when I found an ambystomatid salamander!  (No Red Efts though). I believe it to be a Jefferson Salamander, but I'll post the picture later and maybe someone knows for sure.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_salamander.  I gotta upload that one still.  

Anyway -- fish were still biting in the rain, and brother it rained all day!  I've been fishing a lot of CDC/ELK and CDC comparaduns, etc. lately and haven't given my terrestrials a fair chance...but they worked like crazy Saturday.  I was watching Beth fish a stretch at one point and she snagged a tree behind her on a missed hook set, which resulted in her pulling her own beetle down along with someone else's length of tippet attached to a #16 parachute adams ;).  No rust, so I assume the person was there right before us and likely did the exact same thing on that pocket.  

The beetle is essentially tied in the same style as Rob's Japanese beetle, but with black rubber legs in the "X" shape.  I like the doubled-over foam for floatation and visibility.  

Sorry -- no dollar for me!  We'll try to make the next tie regardless, if you're there we can tell lies up at the bar.  

Gene

On Friday, August 22, 2014 8:35:44 AM UTC-4, John wrote:
Agree on leaders but I know folks who like them. 
John


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On Aug 22, 2014, at 8:02 AM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess that would work -- I've occasionally laid the line over 1 or more rocks on upstream or across-upstream casts and it provides a great drift. 

I'll try the popper thing next time just for the heck of it -- why not?  

Trent (all):  Any of you tinker with furled leaders for dry fly fishing?  I have several of them (made from uni thread) treated with red mucilin, but I can't decide if I like it any better than the 30 > 20 > 10 > 8 > 4 > 5-6X ones I seem to be using lately out there.  I get the "they turn over" better portion, but in the end - you end up with a fairly visible 6' leader with 3-6' tippet vs. the traditional, mostly invisible tapered leader. 

Plus, dry fly leaders with 3-4' tippet to pile up....it doesn't seem that turn-over is necessarily a benefit, at least within the last several feet on the fly-end.   I dunno -- haven't decided yet.  

Gene

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:01:55 PM UTC-4, Trent Jones wrote:

I had never really tossed much big stuff either, but figured it would be fun to try. If I had a mouse pattern I would have put that on at the end. Teeth? I must have gone through a half dozen ant/beetles because they kept chewing the indicator off!

 I usually fish the tail by angling a cast from the right or left so I can drape most or all of the fly line over  rocks and just have leader on the water. Its best when you have a nice big flat rock in the 5-hole (Terry & Hockey fans). I almost always get the alpha fish to eat in that type of pool configuration.

 In an effort to confuse the boundaries between Bronzeback and Vermiculatedback fishing, I want to take a Brookie on a blue popper in the future. If you pull it off this weekend and have a photo, I will have a dollar bill with your name on it at the next Beer tie Gene....or Beth. contestvalidtogeneandbethonlyonedollarbillpayablepercouplenotliableforinjuireswhileinpursuitofbrookies
onpoppersoffervoidwhereprohibited.

 

-Trent 



On Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:16:44 AM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
Beth and I found the same thing to be true recently as well (spookier than normal fish with low water in SNP, but still some decent action).  I've never tried anything as large as you describe, but recently I've added parachute ants into the mix and they seem to catch just as well as the usual EHC I tend to always tie on.  I should experiment more -- Maybe we'll be able to sneak out between the rain this weekend...

Fishing the tails of pools is hard, but I did take a big one out of a tail a few trips ago (cut me with its teeth).  Usually the tail is spilling over with enough flow to make an upstream cast difficult without instant drag, and sometimes there isn't enough cover to sneak in there for an across or across/down cast.  Though I've spooked enough of them to know they hang there ;).  

Holy cow, fishing some of the tribs to the Savage taught us how clumsy and careless we were!  Those were the most spooky brook trout I've ever seen -- 

Gene

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:15:49 PM UTC-4, Trent Jones wrote:
I know summertime generally has people out chasing bronzebacks, but I have been unable to cast a fly at a trout in a couple months and had a really bad jones for some Vermiculatedbacks. Given that it has been a cool summer I headed out to Shenandoah National Park for some brook trouting, figuring the water may be low but should be cool. Thermo read 63f at 2:00pm. I missed the first few strikes until I got my timing back. Ants, Beetles, and Hoppers all worked. The best fun of the day was when I put on a size 6 or 8 cartoon hopper... it was big and obnoxious, but the big fish took savage strikes at it. The water was low and the fish were spookier than normal, but the fishing was still good. LOTS of rain on the drive back, I would bet the large influx of cool water will have the northern park streams fishing well the next few days. Walk slow to pick off the big fish at the tail of the pool. 
 
-Trent

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