{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fish Kill in the SNP section of the Hazel River?

Not a bad idea, if it's clear that a certain population is having a rough time.  The larger park streams should still be in decent shape.  50% of what some of them were 3 years ago is still a healthy, fishable population. Other streams that maybe don't have as much deep pool habitat could be almost completely missing a year class or two, and this upcoming fall's reproducing class could depend on just a dozen or two fish.  I probably wouldn't fish a stream where that appeared to be the case (more than once, anyway).

One positive thing about a situation where fewer adult trout are around is the young are able to move into prime lies and get more food, so growth rates and survival rates increase.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 2:11:05 PM UTC-5, Andrew Chaney wrote:

That's very interesting (and sad). That also explains my the reduced productivity in some of the more reliable streams I've fished in the last couple of years. 2+ years ago, I would be hard pressed to catch less than 20 brook trout per outing on my favorite streams in favorable weather. Doing the same thing last fall resulted in maybe 6-7 fish per trip at best. Maybe it's time for me to focus more on bass or something for a season or two.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:30:40 AM UTC-5, Bob Richey wrote:

Yeah, as much as 50% decline in some streams according to the ranger.  We were talking about how in a particular stream, two years ago I wasn't catching many fish, but that the ones I caught were big (for brookies in the SNP) and then last year I didn't catch many at all and he said "yeah, they're all dead."  A couple of good years and they come back though.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:24:00 AM UTC-5, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:

That makes a lot of sense to me. Drought plus winter cold in the mountains = major ice problems.  The smaller the volume of water, the quicker it freezes.  This winter has probably been really rough in terms of ice.  

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 10:26:43 AM UTC-5, Bob Richey wrote:

I was talking to a park ranger about brook trout recently and he mentioned that the past three years have been bad breeding seasons for brookies.  Anchor ice and drought had really impacted the number of fish that have survived.

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:03:07 PM UTC-5, Andrew Chaney wrote:

I first fished the upper section of the Hazel River (from the point the park begins to the two decent sized falls upstream) a few years ago. It wasn't the most productive stream in the area, but I was still able to land a handful of brook trout. I've since been back a handful of times with similar results except the last two times I went.

The 2nd to last time I fished there (about a year and a half ago) I didn't catch anything and didn't see any trout. I didn't think much of it at the time and moved on to an nearby stream and had better luck.

I returned this last weekend after a few warm days culminated in the beautiful weather we had last Saturday. I fished the entire SNP section of the river and not only did I not catch anything, I also did not see a single trout, fallfish, dace, or other minnow. Every pool, seam, and eddy looked completely devoid of life. The water itself was crystal clear, however. I've fished all over the SNP for more than 15 years and I've never seen anything like it in an SNP stream that was big enough for fish.

So, has anyone had any luck on the Hazel River recently? If not, are there any known issues with that stream?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fish Kill in the SNP section of the Hazel River?

That's very interesting (and sad). That also explains my the reduced productivity in some of the more reliable streams I've fished in the last couple of years. 2+ years ago, I would be hard pressed to catch less than 20 brook trout per outing on my favorite streams in favorable weather. Doing the same thing last fall resulted in maybe 6-7 fish per trip at best. Maybe it's time for me to focus more on bass or something for a season or two.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:30:40 AM UTC-5, Bob Richey wrote:

Yeah, as much as 50% decline in some streams according to the ranger.  We were talking about how in a particular stream, two years ago I wasn't catching many fish, but that the ones I caught were big (for brookies in the SNP) and then last year I didn't catch many at all and he said "yeah, they're all dead."  A couple of good years and they come back though.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:24:00 AM UTC-5, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:

That makes a lot of sense to me. Drought plus winter cold in the mountains = major ice problems.  The smaller the volume of water, the quicker it freezes.  This winter has probably been really rough in terms of ice.  

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 10:26:43 AM UTC-5, Bob Richey wrote:

I was talking to a park ranger about brook trout recently and he mentioned that the past three years have been bad breeding seasons for brookies.  Anchor ice and drought had really impacted the number of fish that have survived.

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:03:07 PM UTC-5, Andrew Chaney wrote:

I first fished the upper section of the Hazel River (from the point the park begins to the two decent sized falls upstream) a few years ago. It wasn't the most productive stream in the area, but I was still able to land a handful of brook trout. I've since been back a handful of times with similar results except the last two times I went.

The 2nd to last time I fished there (about a year and a half ago) I didn't catch anything and didn't see any trout. I didn't think much of it at the time and moved on to an nearby stream and had better luck.

I returned this last weekend after a few warm days culminated in the beautiful weather we had last Saturday. I fished the entire SNP section of the river and not only did I not catch anything, I also did not see a single trout, fallfish, dace, or other minnow. Every pool, seam, and eddy looked completely devoid of life. The water itself was crystal clear, however. I've fished all over the SNP for more than 15 years and I've never seen anything like it in an SNP stream that was big enough for fish.

So, has anyone had any luck on the Hazel River recently? If not, are there any known issues with that stream?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fish Kill in the SNP section of the Hazel River?

Yeah, as much as 50% decline in some streams according to the ranger.  We were talking about how in a particular stream, two years ago I wasn't catching many fish, but that the ones I caught were big (for brookies in the SNP) and then last year I didn't catch many at all and he said "yeah, they're all dead."  A couple of good years and they come back though.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:24:00 AM UTC-5, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:

That makes a lot of sense to me. Drought plus winter cold in the mountains = major ice problems.  The smaller the volume of water, the quicker it freezes.  This winter has probably been really rough in terms of ice.  

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 10:26:43 AM UTC-5, Bob Richey wrote:

I was talking to a park ranger about brook trout recently and he mentioned that the past three years have been bad breeding seasons for brookies.  Anchor ice and drought had really impacted the number of fish that have survived.

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:03:07 PM UTC-5, Andrew Chaney wrote:

I first fished the upper section of the Hazel River (from the point the park begins to the two decent sized falls upstream) a few years ago. It wasn't the most productive stream in the area, but I was still able to land a handful of brook trout. I've since been back a handful of times with similar results except the last two times I went.

The 2nd to last time I fished there (about a year and a half ago) I didn't catch anything and didn't see any trout. I didn't think much of it at the time and moved on to an nearby stream and had better luck.

I returned this last weekend after a few warm days culminated in the beautiful weather we had last Saturday. I fished the entire SNP section of the river and not only did I not catch anything, I also did not see a single trout, fallfish, dace, or other minnow. Every pool, seam, and eddy looked completely devoid of life. The water itself was crystal clear, however. I've fished all over the SNP for more than 15 years and I've never seen anything like it in an SNP stream that was big enough for fish.

So, has anyone had any luck on the Hazel River recently? If not, are there any known issues with that stream?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fish Kill in the SNP section of the Hazel River?

That makes a lot of sense to me. Drought plus winter cold in the mountains = major ice problems.  The smaller the volume of water, the quicker it freezes.  This winter has probably been really rough in terms of ice.  

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 10:26:43 AM UTC-5, Bob Richey wrote:

I was talking to a park ranger about brook trout recently and he mentioned that the past three years have been bad breeding seasons for brookies.  Anchor ice and drought had really impacted the number of fish that have survived.

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:03:07 PM UTC-5, Andrew Chaney wrote:

I first fished the upper section of the Hazel River (from the point the park begins to the two decent sized falls upstream) a few years ago. It wasn't the most productive stream in the area, but I was still able to land a handful of brook trout. I've since been back a handful of times with similar results except the last two times I went.

The 2nd to last time I fished there (about a year and a half ago) I didn't catch anything and didn't see any trout. I didn't think much of it at the time and moved on to an nearby stream and had better luck.

I returned this last weekend after a few warm days culminated in the beautiful weather we had last Saturday. I fished the entire SNP section of the river and not only did I not catch anything, I also did not see a single trout, fallfish, dace, or other minnow. Every pool, seam, and eddy looked completely devoid of life. The water itself was crystal clear, however. I've fished all over the SNP for more than 15 years and I've never seen anything like it in an SNP stream that was big enough for fish.

So, has anyone had any luck on the Hazel River recently? If not, are there any known issues with that stream?

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fish Kill in the SNP section of the Hazel River?

Something else to keep in mind – brook trout, especially mountain populations, have a pretty short life span.  3 years is average.

If there’s a population changing event, like drought, or overfishing, or increased predation, you can expect the populations to change.

Also you might not be going up far enough.  Most anglers don’t want to travel much further past the parking lot.  Next time put boots to the ground and don’t start fishing until you’re further up.

R

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fish Kill in the SNP section of the Hazel River?

Someone I know caught a single nice brookie there last year, I think in June.  He didn't find anything until he got about a half mile above the park boundary.

It doesn't explain BOTH fishless outings, but sometimes in winter things will completely shut down.  I've had this happen in SNP anytime the sun is not hitting the water in winter.  Can walk past a sunlit pool with feeding fish in the late morning, but pass it on the way out after the sun has dipped behind the ridge, and there isn't a fish to be seen.  Maybe this is what happened on your recent trip, and your previous trip you could have been fishing behind someone.

One thing to keep in mind is we've had very dry late summer/early fall conditions the past two years.  I personally believe trout populations are noticeably down in many streams from where they were 2 or 3 years ago.  However, I don't think it's anything to worry about (yet) as these fish have handled worse droughts for thousands of years.

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:03:07 PM UTC-5, Andrew Chaney wrote:

I first fished the upper section of the Hazel River (from the point the park begins to the two decent sized falls upstream) a few years ago. It wasn't the most productive stream in the area, but I was still able to land a handful of brook trout. I've since been back a handful of times with similar results except the last two times I went.

The 2nd to last time I fished there (about a year and a half ago) I didn't catch anything and didn't see any trout. I didn't think much of it at the time and moved on to an nearby stream and had better luck.

I returned this last weekend after a few warm days culminated in the beautiful weather we had last Saturday. I fished the entire SNP section of the river and not only did I not catch anything, I also did not see a single trout, fallfish, dace, or other minnow. Every pool, seam, and eddy looked completely devoid of life. The water itself was crystal clear, however. I've fished all over the SNP for more than 15 years and I've never seen anything like it in an SNP stream that was big enough for fish.

So, has anyone had any luck on the Hazel River recently? If not, are there any known issues with that stream?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Fish Kill in the SNP section of the Hazel River?

Someone I know caught a single nice brookie there last year, I think in June.  He didn't find anything until he got about a half mile above the park boundary.

It doesn't explain BOTH fishless outings, but sometimes in winter things will completely shut down.  I've had this happen in SNP anytime the sun is not hitting the water in winter.  Can walk past a sunlit pool with feeding fish in the late morning, but pass it on the way out after the sun has dipped behind the ridge, and there isn't a fish to be seen.  Maybe this is what happened on your recent trip, and your previous trip you could have been fishing behind someone.

One thing to keep in mind is we've had very dry late summer/early fall conditions the past two years.  I personally believe trout populations are noticeably down in many streams from where they were 2 or 3 years ago.  However, I don't think it's anything to worry about (yet) as these fish have handled worse droughts for thousands of years.

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:03:07 PM UTC-5, Andrew Chaney wrote:

I first fished the upper section of the Hazel River (from the point the park begins to the two decent sized falls upstream) a few years ago. It wasn't the most productive stream in the area, but I was still able to land a handful of brook trout. I've since been back a handful of times with similar results except the last two times I went.

The 2nd to last time I fished there (about a year and a half ago) I didn't catch anything and didn't see any trout. I didn't think much of it at the time and moved on to an nearby stream and had better luck.

I returned this last weekend after a few warm days culminated in the beautiful weather we had last Saturday. I fished the entire SNP section of the river and not only did I not catch anything, I also did not see a single trout, fallfish, dace, or other minnow. Every pool, seam, and eddy looked completely devoid of life. The water itself was crystal clear, however. I've fished all over the SNP for more than 15 years and I've never seen anything like it in an SNP stream that was big enough for fish.

So, has anyone had any luck on the Hazel River recently? If not, are there any known issues with that stream?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fish Kill in the SNP section of the Hazel River?

I first fished the upper section of the Hazel River (from the point the park begins to the two decent sized falls upstream) a few years ago. It wasn't the most productive stream in the area, but I was still able to land a handful of brook trout. I've since been back a handful of times with similar results except the last two times I went.

The 2nd to last time I fished there (about a year and a half ago) I didn't catch anything and didn't see any trout. I didn't think much of it at the time and moved on to an nearby stream and had better luck.

I returned this last weekend after a few warm days culminated in the beautiful weather we had last Saturday. I fished the entire SNP section of the river and not only did I not catch anything, I also did not see a single trout, fallfish, dace, or other minnow. Every pool, seam, and eddy looked completely devoid of life. The water itself was crystal clear, however. I've fished all over the SNP for more than 15 years and I've never seen anything like it in an SNP stream that was big enough for fish.

So, has anyone had any luck on the Hazel River recently? If not, are there any known issues with that stream?

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} First Muskie

Wow. That's some fish, Nick.  Must have been a blast.  

Cheers, 

-- Greg

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On Jan 28, 2018, at 11:10 AM, Nick <nfranzetti@gmail.com> wrote:

Started my fishing year on a high note with my first Muskie.  Owe a big thank you to Blane Chocklett, (aka the muskie whisperer) and highly recommend you give him a call if you decide to chase these guys. This fish taped out at 47" and fell for a 15" game changer, after switching out flies. 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} First Muskie

That's a fish of a lifetime.  Great job.  

Carl

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Started my fishing year on a high note with my first Muskie.  Owe a big thank you to Blane Chocklett, (aka the muskie whisperer) and highly recommend you give him a call if you decide to chase these guys. This fish taped out at 47" and fell for a 15" game changer, after switching out flies. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} First Muskie

Started my fishing year on a high note with my first Muskie.  Owe a big thank you to Blane Chocklett, (aka the muskie whisperer) and highly recommend you give him a call if you decide to chase these guys. This fish taped out at 47" and fell for a 15" game changer, after switching out flies. 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Gravelly Point

You mean Nancy Reagan Memorial Park??

On Jan 27, 2018, at 4:27 PM, Patrick Roethe <pjroethe@gmail.com> wrote:

Did you get busted?

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License check this morning.  Officer was totally cool.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Gravelly Point

Did you get busted?

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License check this morning.  Officer was totally cool.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Gravelly Point

License check this morning. Officer was totally cool.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: OBX in Winter?

Charlie - did you make the run? If you're ever looking for someone to split the gas and driving I'm up for making the run down there if it's based on info from a local and not just internet chatter. I used to do it pretty frequently and am looking forward to a good Drum bite. Give me a shout and we can split the gas and driving time; I know from experience how that drive can be a bear in the middle of the night after a full day. Give me a yell! 

   

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 8:55:46 AM UTC-5, Charlie Church wrote:

I don't know if you already went or not, but if not....there is a really good drum bite going on now in Hatteras. 

I might actually make the run this weekend. 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Next beer tie

Hey Dalton,

Looking forward to the BT, but I'm more about the beer than the tie.

Cheers!

On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 7:53:33 AM UTC-5, Dalton Terrell wrote:

The Shad Hammer returns!

The next Beer Tie is February 12, check here for a full listing: http://tpfr.org/events.htm

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Orvis rods/line

A stout 8wt with a really aggressive weight forward taper line works well for LMB.  For stripers on Potomac tribs, look at fast sinking shooting heads with integrated running lines, like Sci Angler’s Sonar Sink.  Use 300gr for an 8wt.

As for rods, if you don’t find anything at the big O that suits you, or you’d like to look at other manufacturers, we carry enough sticks to whet your whistle.

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Subject: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Orvis rods/line

Looking for a 9' 8wt rod and line primarily for lmb and stripers on the Potomac tributaries and the Rapp with occasional salt water use.  Accuracy, durability, feel, and fun to fish a priority over broomstick/hero casts.  Planning a trip to Orvis anyway for fly tying material so I'm gonna check out what they've got, but I'm not real familiar with their stuff.  In terms of real world fishing is there much of a difference between the Clearwater and Recon?  Is the H3 THAT much better that it's worth saving up for?  Do they have a recommended WF line for bass flies? Any fly shop is a not fun drive on 95 for me, so any advice I can get here on rods or line to go with it is really appreciated.  Hope this isn't beating a dead horse, thanks!

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Next beer tie

I'll be teaching a bunny strip version of a reaper fly. I caught some big bass and a channel cat on the suede tail version. 

I have the new TyWheel hair cutting tool. I'll bring it if you want to try. I don't tie anything that requires the tool and sharp objects and I don't get along. You'll need to bring a blade. 

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I have finally gotten my schedule re-arranged to attend the next beer tie,  I just was wondering what type of flies are most people tying at these?  I'm a fan of stacking big hair bugs,  but i could see how that might be some what of a pain to do (and messy)  at a restaurant?  Have you picked the demo fly out yet?  Look forward to connecting with some knew fisherman in the area.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Orvis rods/line

I have the Recon and Clearwater. I'll grab either from the boat or garage when heading out. Cork and reel seat are about the only difference noticeable when fishing. Get the Bankshot floating line. 

I'll fish just about any rod regardless of cost or marketing. They all catch fish. Warranty to me is most important. 

I do like the recon 7'11" rod. 

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Looking for a 9' 8wt rod and line primarily for lmb and stripers on the Potomac tributaries and the Rapp with occasional salt water use.  Accuracy, durability, feel, and fun to fish a priority over broomstick/hero casts.  Planning a trip to Orvis anyway for fly tying material so I'm gonna check out what they've got, but I'm not real familiar with their stuff.  In terms of real world fishing is there much of a difference between the Clearwater and Recon?  Is the H3 THAT much better that it's worth saving up for?  Do they have a recommended WF line for bass flies? Any fly shop is a not fun drive on 95 for me, so any advice I can get here on rods or line to go with it is really appreciated.  Hope this isn't beating a dead horse, thanks!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Orvis rods/line

Looking for a 9' 8wt rod and line primarily for lmb and stripers on the Potomac tributaries and the Rapp with occasional salt water use.  Accuracy, durability, feel, and fun to fish a priority over broomstick/hero casts.  Planning a trip to Orvis anyway for fly tying material so I'm gonna check out what they've got, but I'm not real familiar with their stuff.  In terms of real world fishing is there much of a difference between the Clearwater and Recon?  Is the H3 THAT much better that it's worth saving up for?  Do they have a recommended WF line for bass flies? Any fly shop is a not fun drive on 95 for me, so any advice I can get here on rods or line to go with it is really appreciated.  Hope this isn't beating a dead horse, thanks!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Next beer tie

I have finally gotten my schedule re-arranged to attend the next beer tie,  I just was wondering what type of flies are most people tying at these?  I'm a fan of stacking big hair bugs,  but i could see how that might be some what of a pain to do (and messy)  at a restaurant?  Have you picked the demo fly out yet?  Look forward to connecting with some knew fisherman in the area.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Blue cats in DC

Or throw them back into the river so their nutrients can be recaptured by the eco system. Also wouldn't be surprised if you could sell them to a supermarket in the Eden center. They have a blue catfish display and the catfish, alive and dead, look very fresh.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Blue cats in DC

One would argue it’s not the fish that are the cause of the smell.

Regards,

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Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Blue cats in DC

Ever go to the Salmon River in Pulaski near the end of the run?  The whole town reeks.  

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Andrew Sarcinello <andysarce@gmail.com> wrote:

You're probably right but it would stink up my/everyone else's fishing spot.  a 30-40 pounder is gonna have a lot of stinky scraps left over.  There's enough shad carcasses that get left on the bank as it is. 

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-5, Bobby Davis wrote:

there are enough critters around that a catfish carcass would not go to waste if thrown away in the woods, I think. 

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 2:34:03 PM UTC-5, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:

Chris and I were discussing this not long ago.  It's hard to imagine having an impact on the population, but I'm planning to knock out a few this year. I'm unsure of what to do with any larger ones I catch. I don't want to eat them, Chris isn't sure people on the banks would, and I don't want to kill anything that won't get used.

You also cannot sell them in DC due to commercial fishing being illegal.

I fully believe the biologists that are concerned about the severe harm they might do to the fisheries.  Shad seem to be handling it for now, but you never know if there's a tipping point on the horizon.

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:41:31 AM UTC-5, Gregg DiSalvo wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPwbAeDTCeM

This isn't the Potomac, but our southern neighbor the Rapp. It's an informative watch.  At the end, John encourages us to catch AND eat any catfish we catch.  They make up a huge percentage of the total biomass in the river.  I am a little wary of eating catfish from these rivers, but in fishing with Chris Campo, we found there are usually folks on shore who are more than willing to take the fish from you (+1 to Rob).  It truly is amazing how many large cats there are down there, and I doubt we would make much of an impact on the numbers, but I am more than willing to try. 

Gregg

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:26:35 AM UTC-5, namfos wrote:

Question: Blue cats, thems good eatin? ☺

Mark

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I know this is flyrodders,  but i figure i cant be the only DC fisherman that will fish no matter the method.  Anyone interested in catching Blue Cats in DC in the next few weeks from kayaks?  I was thinking somewhere between key bridge and 14th st.   Its a blast,  but i don't feel comfortable on a February river going solo and would like some company.  I am flexible but looking to play hooky from work and hit it on a weekday when i have the river to myself.  also could float from fletchers to thompson if i had someone to run a shuttle with.  

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Blue cats in DC

Ever go to the Salmon River in Pulaski near the end of the run?  The whole town reeks.  

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Andrew Sarcinello <andysarce@gmail.com> wrote:

You're probably right but it would stink up my/everyone else's fishing spot.  a 30-40 pounder is gonna have a lot of stinky scraps left over.  There's enough shad carcasses that get left on the bank as it is. 

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-5, Bobby Davis wrote:

there are enough critters around that a catfish carcass would not go to waste if thrown away in the woods, I think. 

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 2:34:03 PM UTC-5, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:

Chris and I were discussing this not long ago.  It's hard to imagine having an impact on the population, but I'm planning to knock out a few this year. I'm unsure of what to do with any larger ones I catch. I don't want to eat them, Chris isn't sure people on the banks would, and I don't want to kill anything that won't get used.

You also cannot sell them in DC due to commercial fishing being illegal.

I fully believe the biologists that are concerned about the severe harm they might do to the fisheries.  Shad seem to be handling it for now, but you never know if there's a tipping point on the horizon.

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:41:31 AM UTC-5, Gregg DiSalvo wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPwbAeDTCeM

This isn't the Potomac, but our southern neighbor the Rapp. It's an informative watch.  At the end, John encourages us to catch AND eat any catfish we catch.  They make up a huge percentage of the total biomass in the river.  I am a little wary of eating catfish from these rivers, but in fishing with Chris Campo, we found there are usually folks on shore who are more than willing to take the fish from you (+1 to Rob).  It truly is amazing how many large cats there are down there, and I doubt we would make much of an impact on the numbers, but I am more than willing to try. 

Gregg

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:26:35 AM UTC-5, namfos wrote:

Question: Blue cats, thems good eatin? ☺

Mark

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-5, N Elgas wrote:

I know this is flyrodders,  but i figure i cant be the only DC fisherman that will fish no matter the method.  Anyone interested in catching Blue Cats in DC in the next few weeks from kayaks?  I was thinking somewhere between key bridge and 14th st.   Its a blast,  but i don't feel comfortable on a February river going solo and would like some company.  I am flexible but looking to play hooky from work and hit it on a weekday when i have the river to myself.  also could float from fletchers to thompson if i had someone to run a shuttle with.  

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Blue cats in DC

Scott, just an excuse for Pat Cohen to tie a bigger, badder (dare i say....tighter packed) rat 

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-5, N Elgas wrote:

I know this is flyrodders,  but i figure i cant be the only DC fisherman that will fish no matter the method.  Anyone interested in catching Blue Cats in DC in the next few weeks from kayaks?  I was thinking somewhere between key bridge and 14th st.   Its a blast,  but i don't feel comfortable on a February river going solo and would like some company.  I am flexible but looking to play hooky from work and hit it on a weekday when i have the river to myself.  also could float from fletchers to thompson if i had someone to run a shuttle with.  

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Blue cats in DC

You're probably right but it would stink up my/everyone else's fishing spot.  a 30-40 pounder is gonna have a lot of stinky scraps left over.  There's enough shad carcasses that get left on the bank as it is. 

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-5, Bobby Davis wrote:

there are enough critters around that a catfish carcass would not go to waste if thrown away in the woods, I think. 

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 2:34:03 PM UTC-5, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:

Chris and I were discussing this not long ago.  It's hard to imagine having an impact on the population, but I'm planning to knock out a few this year. I'm unsure of what to do with any larger ones I catch. I don't want to eat them, Chris isn't sure people on the banks would, and I don't want to kill anything that won't get used.

You also cannot sell them in DC due to commercial fishing being illegal.

I fully believe the biologists that are concerned about the severe harm they might do to the fisheries.  Shad seem to be handling it for now, but you never know if there's a tipping point on the horizon.

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:41:31 AM UTC-5, Gregg DiSalvo wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPwbAeDTCeM

This isn't the Potomac, but our southern neighbor the Rapp. It's an informative watch.  At the end, John encourages us to catch AND eat any catfish we catch.  They make up a huge percentage of the total biomass in the river.  I am a little wary of eating catfish from these rivers, but in fishing with Chris Campo, we found there are usually folks on shore who are more than willing to take the fish from you (+1 to Rob).  It truly is amazing how many large cats there are down there, and I doubt we would make much of an impact on the numbers, but I am more than willing to try. 

Gregg

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:26:35 AM UTC-5, namfos wrote:

Question: Blue cats, thems good eatin? ☺

Mark

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-5, N Elgas wrote:

I know this is flyrodders,  but i figure i cant be the only DC fisherman that will fish no matter the method.  Anyone interested in catching Blue Cats in DC in the next few weeks from kayaks?  I was thinking somewhere between key bridge and 14th st.   Its a blast,  but i don't feel comfortable on a February river going solo and would like some company.  I am flexible but looking to play hooky from work and hit it on a weekday when i have the river to myself.  also could float from fletchers to thompson if i had someone to run a shuttle with.  

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Blue cats in DC

Just what DC needs - bigger, better-fed rats! ;-)

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:36 PM, Bobby Davis <robert.davis.bd@gmail.com> wrote:

there are enough critters around that a catfish carcass would not go to waste if thrown away in the woods, I think. 

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 2:34:03 PM UTC-5, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:

Chris and I were discussing this not long ago.  It's hard to imagine having an impact on the population, but I'm planning to knock out a few this year. I'm unsure of what to do with any larger ones I catch. I don't want to eat them, Chris isn't sure people on the banks would, and I don't want to kill anything that won't get used.

You also cannot sell them in DC due to commercial fishing being illegal.

I fully believe the biologists that are concerned about the severe harm they might do to the fisheries.  Shad seem to be handling it for now, but you never know if there's a tipping point on the horizon.

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:41:31 AM UTC-5, Gregg DiSalvo wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPwbAeDTCeM

This isn't the Potomac, but our southern neighbor the Rapp. It's an informative watch.  At the end, John encourages us to catch AND eat any catfish we catch.  They make up a huge percentage of the total biomass in the river.  I am a little wary of eating catfish from these rivers, but in fishing with Chris Campo, we found there are usually folks on shore who are more than willing to take the fish from you (+1 to Rob).  It truly is amazing how many large cats there are down there, and I doubt we would make much of an impact on the numbers, but I am more than willing to try. 

Gregg

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:26:35 AM UTC-5, namfos wrote:

Question: Blue cats, thems good eatin? ☺

Mark

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-5, N Elgas wrote:

I know this is flyrodders,  but i figure i cant be the only DC fisherman that will fish no matter the method.  Anyone interested in catching Blue Cats in DC in the next few weeks from kayaks?  I was thinking somewhere between key bridge and 14th st.   Its a blast,  but i don't feel comfortable on a February river going solo and would like some company.  I am flexible but looking to play hooky from work and hit it on a weekday when i have the river to myself.  also could float from fletchers to thompson if i had someone to run a shuttle with.  

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Blue cats in DC

there are enough critters around that a catfish carcass would not go to waste if thrown away in the woods, I think. 

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 2:34:03 PM UTC-5, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:

Chris and I were discussing this not long ago.  It's hard to imagine having an impact on the population, but I'm planning to knock out a few this year. I'm unsure of what to do with any larger ones I catch. I don't want to eat them, Chris isn't sure people on the banks would, and I don't want to kill anything that won't get used.

You also cannot sell them in DC due to commercial fishing being illegal.

I fully believe the biologists that are concerned about the severe harm they might do to the fisheries.  Shad seem to be handling it for now, but you never know if there's a tipping point on the horizon.

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:41:31 AM UTC-5, Gregg DiSalvo wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPwbAeDTCeM

This isn't the Potomac, but our southern neighbor the Rapp. It's an informative watch.  At the end, John encourages us to catch AND eat any catfish we catch.  They make up a huge percentage of the total biomass in the river.  I am a little wary of eating catfish from these rivers, but in fishing with Chris Campo, we found there are usually folks on shore who are more than willing to take the fish from you (+1 to Rob).  It truly is amazing how many large cats there are down there, and I doubt we would make much of an impact on the numbers, but I am more than willing to try. 

Gregg

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:26:35 AM UTC-5, namfos wrote:

Question: Blue cats, thems good eatin? ☺

Mark

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-5, N Elgas wrote:

I know this is flyrodders,  but i figure i cant be the only DC fisherman that will fish no matter the method.  Anyone interested in catching Blue Cats in DC in the next few weeks from kayaks?  I was thinking somewhere between key bridge and 14th st.   Its a blast,  but i don't feel comfortable on a February river going solo and would like some company.  I am flexible but looking to play hooky from work and hit it on a weekday when i have the river to myself.  also could float from fletchers to thompson if i had someone to run a shuttle with.  

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Blue cats in DC

Chris and I were discussing this not long ago.  It's hard to imagine having an impact on the population, but I'm planning to knock out a few this year. I'm unsure of what to do with any larger ones I catch. I don't want to eat them, Chris isn't sure people on the banks would, and I don't want to kill anything that won't get used.

You also cannot sell them in DC due to commercial fishing being illegal.

I fully believe the biologists that are concerned about the severe harm they might do to the fisheries.  Shad seem to be handling it for now, but you never know if there's a tipping point on the horizon.

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:41:31 AM UTC-5, Gregg DiSalvo wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPwbAeDTCeM

This isn't the Potomac, but our southern neighbor the Rapp. It's an informative watch.  At the end, John encourages us to catch AND eat any catfish we catch.  They make up a huge percentage of the total biomass in the river.  I am a little wary of eating catfish from these rivers, but in fishing with Chris Campo, we found there are usually folks on shore who are more than willing to take the fish from you (+1 to Rob).  It truly is amazing how many large cats there are down there, and I doubt we would make much of an impact on the numbers, but I am more than willing to try. 

Gregg

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:26:35 AM UTC-5, namfos wrote:

Question: Blue cats, thems good eatin? ☺

Mark

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-5, N Elgas wrote:

I know this is flyrodders,  but i figure i cant be the only DC fisherman that will fish no matter the method.  Anyone interested in catching Blue Cats in DC in the next few weeks from kayaks?  I was thinking somewhere between key bridge and 14th st.   Its a blast,  but i don't feel comfortable on a February river going solo and would like some company.  I am flexible but looking to play hooky from work and hit it on a weekday when i have the river to myself.  also could float from fletchers to thompson if i had someone to run a shuttle with.  

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Blue cats in DC

https://doee.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddoe/service_content/attachments/Fish%20Advisory%202-2-2016.pdf

I would be a little careful, and larger fish are probably worse eating than little guys.  But, you fry anything enough and it taste good.  

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:26:35 AM UTC-5, namfos wrote:

Question: Blue cats, thems good eatin? ☺

Mark

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-5, N Elgas wrote:

I know this is flyrodders,  but i figure i cant be the only DC fisherman that will fish no matter the method.  Anyone interested in catching Blue Cats in DC in the next few weeks from kayaks?  I was thinking somewhere between key bridge and 14th st.   Its a blast,  but i don't feel comfortable on a February river going solo and would like some company.  I am flexible but looking to play hooky from work and hit it on a weekday when i have the river to myself.  also could float from fletchers to thompson if i had someone to run a shuttle with.  

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