Sunday, April 30, 2017

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Harper's Ferry

Good evening everyone,

I am thinking about heading out to Harper's Ferry at some point to try for some smallmouth. Is there a good location to park and wade without a guide? I also read you need to check the flows before going, what should I be looking for?

I know there are float trips available but wanted to get out there once before booking.

Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Kyle

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Saturday, April 29, 2017

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Boats

I am looking at getting a Kaboat.  I dont think i saw any thing about this in past topics.  Does anyone have any experience with these?  From what i can tell, they dont sell them in stores. Which makes taking a test drive in one very hard. 

For anyone that doesnt know what these are. Its like a cross between a drift boat, inflatable kayak and a canoe.  




Thank you for any information in advance,

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} The National Capital Chapter of Trout Unlimited Presents Potomac River Smallmouth with Mark Kovach

Hey there TPFRers,

NCC-TU will be hosting Potomac River Guide Mark Kovach Wednesday May 10 at Rock Bottom Brewery in Bethesda. For those of you who don't know him, Mark is the authority on fishing, on both fly and spin tackle, for all sorts of critters in the area surrounding Harper's Ferry. He's been running a guide service, http://www.mkfs.com/, since 1979. This is definitely not one to miss if you have any interest in heading up the Potomac for some bronzebacks. Last meeting of the NCC-TU operating year. Big news coming soon for next year...

https://www.facebook.com/events/770868333082059/

Tight Lines,

Andrew Reichardt
NCC-TU

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Good Reasonably Priced Fly-Tying Kit for Beginner

I KNOW that, Rich. It's just that you're a favorite among all of TPFR's eminently capable enablers.

Mark

On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 11:37:07 AM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:

Not firm enough.  End of May/early June.

For the record, just so people know I wasn't referring to moi, all the Orvis stores in the area carry tying kits and individual materials.


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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: American or Hickory?

I have been stalking the flycraft, fly smith big shoals raft, and the the t.rex 9.8 mini drifter. Things holding me back are I am not sure where all I could actually take them, cost, and can you really stand when you fish out of them. Also, smithfly's new giant paddle board looks cool as hell.

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Friday, April 28, 2017

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Rains and the Potomac

It was murky and high today
Not much fish landed today

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} River report--April 28th AM

I typically will go off of the USGS Little Falls Dam guage. 3.0 -3.5 ft at Little falls seems to be around an optimal level. Currently Little Falls is at 4.92 ft @ 3:45 pm on
4/28 so yeah...pretty damn high. Here's the link if you wanna bookmark it.
-Ed

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/md/nwis/uv?site_no=01646500

"Make voyages. Attempt them. There's nothing else!"
- Tennessee Williams, Camino Real

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: American or Hickory?

Saw those guys with that flycraft last weekend and had a brief convo with them about the boat. It had the optional third seat attached to the gear rack on the stern. Very sweet setup. Have always admired that boat and have been searching high and low for a used one. New is simply out of my price range. 

Andrew- In my search i came across this craigslist ad for a nice raft used. I'm not selling it, nor do i know who is so i don't think I'm breaking any bylaws by posting it here to help a fellow anger on his search. Some guy named Sean answered some questions of mine about how small it can pack up to. https://richmond.craigslist.org/boa/6103792430.html

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 3:32:28 PM UTC-4, Andrew R wrote:
Hey Anthony,

I always thought the Flycraft was a two person raft. Is that a mod?

Also, besides the Potomac, where else do you guys run it around here (the doah, yough, NB)? How does it track compared to a regular raft? Is there room to stand?

I've been in the market for a raft or drifter for a while and have been looking at the Stealthraft or the NRS freestone because I want a 3 person setup, but if the flycraft can fit 3 guys relatively comfortably, I may check it out.

Tight Lines,

Andrew R

On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 6:58:42 PM UTC-4, Anthony Olson wrote:
Tperkins, its awesome. Its my buddies and we've taken it threw some pretty nasty stuff no problem. It only takes about 20 min to put all together once you get the hang of things. Living in the city and being able to keep it in the bed of the truck is obviously the biggest upside. 

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:51:09 AM UTC-4, tperkins wrote:
How do you like the Flycraft? 


On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 11:37:15 AM UTC-4, Anthony Olson wrote:

I'm sure there are a bunch of posts about this but just wanted to get a quick answer. Fished fletchers last night from about 6-830 and caught well over 30 fish with the first one of the night being the biggest. Is this an American shad and what's the easiest way to identify (I'm assuming it is more than just the size of them?) 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} River report--April 28th AM

I'm a big fan of the USGS website. It gives water data for hundreds of rivers around the US. I discovered it after getting burned by high water a few times and went looking for useful resources.

There are a number of gauges along the Potomac, but here's my favorite: https://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/uv?01638500

As you can see, it's about 2 feet above it's historical median right now. As long as we don't get any significant rain over the next few days, I think the Potomac should be fishable by Sunday at least.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Good Reasonably Priced Fly-Tying Kit for Beginner

Not firm enough.  End of May/early June.

For the record, just so people know I wasn’t referring to moi, all the Orvis stores in the area carry tying kits and individual materials.  They also might show you how to pick them, handle the materials, and use them when tying a fly – something you don’t get when you buy online.

R

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So do our enablers in Cherrydale have a firm opening date?

Mark

On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 12:12:02 AM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:
Or you could go into your local fly shop that actually stocks and carries these products and support the people that fuel your addiction, help you find new adventures and plan for old ones, and help teach you to be the angler you hope to become.


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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} River report--April 28th AM

Sounds like conditions are pretty bad for now, appreciate the report. I stopped by Great Falls after work yesterday to buy a National Park pass, and took a minute to walk over and see the falls. It was raging indeed!

I got out after sunset last night at one of my go-to spots in the general area of the Pentagon. I must have beaten the dirty water, because it was clear and there were plenty of fish around. I felt a few herring bump into my legs, caught a 14" striper on a 5-6" long fly that looks a bit like a herring. Every few minutes i'd see a schoolie blast something on the surface, but I had my sinking leader on so I couldn't tie on a popper to take advantage. downsized to a clouser before leaving and immediately caught a 13" crappie. I am wondering if I return tonight if the muddy water will have filtered in?

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} River report--April 28th AM

Hit the river from 6:00 to 8:00 this morning from rocks between Fletchers and Chain Bridge.  Gauges indicate river is rising and turbid.  Indeed, it was VERY turbid this morning.  Lots of logs, dead things and debris coming downriver and fouling lines and hooks.  Two of us got not a bump.  No perch, no shad, nada.  Walked back down to Fletchers and talked with two guys just leaving from a boat.  They said they hadn't had a bump and hadn't seen a fish all morning from any of the boats.  

Better luck to you.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Good Reasonably Priced Fly-Tying Kit for Beginner

So do our enablers in Cherrydale have a firm opening date?

Mark

On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 12:12:02 AM UTC-4, Richard Farino wrote:
Or you could go into your local fly shop that actually stocks and carries these products and support the people that fuel your addiction, help you find new adventures and plan for old ones, and help teach you to be the angler you hope to become.


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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Good Reasonably Priced Fly-Tying Kit for Beginner

"Music stand..." Got that right, Casey. Terrific reference and perfect gift for Fathers Day, Birthday, Christmas, Anniversary, etc.

Mark

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 11:12:59 AM UTC-4, CaseyP wrote:

If anyone wants to give you a gift to help you get well, ask for Leeson and Scholmeyer's "The Benchside Introduction to Fly Tying." Large, good photography, complete, clearest instructions I've ever seen.

Oh, and a music stand for the thing to sit on. It's pretty big.


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RE: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Good Reasonably Priced Fly-Tying Kit for Beginner

Amen!

 

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Or you could go into your local fly shop that actually stocks and carries these products and support the people that fuel your addiction, help you find new adventures and plan for old ones, and help teach you to be the angler you hope to become.

 


On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:11 PM, Carl Z. <carl.zmola0@gmail.com> wrote:

I would go ahead and get the waspi kit and expect to supplement.  

 

* A nice griffin ceramic tip bobbin (maybe two)  The supreme ceramic tip or Magnum are both nice.

 

If you are going to tie dries, the following would be the next chunk to grab.

* Some decent hackle.  This is more expensive than the kit but will last a long time and be worth it.  Look for Metz or whitting hackle in a starter kit (they split the skins and give you a few different colors. 

* some more thread

* a chunk of moose body hair (for tails)

* a chunk of calf body hair for wulf hair wings and parachute posts

* some elk body hair for elk hair caddis

* a hair stacker (I don't think the wapsi kit comes with one)

 

* I would start with size 12 and 14 dries and work my way down to 16 and 18.

 

With this material, added on to the wapsi kit, you can tie anything and add on from there.  

 

With the speed things ship these days (feathercraft, jstockard, and others) you can start with the waspi kit and order these when you feel inspired.

 

 

Keep your eye out for an intermediate priced vise from someone who just upgrade do a dynaking. Gene are you selling one?  But this can wait. A nice vise is fantastic, but I think a nice bobin and good feathers make a bigger difference. 

 


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On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Michael Matheke-Fischer <michael.matheke@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Everyone! All great suggestions. 

 

I like the Helios analogy, I think what I am looking for is something like the Clearwater of vices, something reasonable but not so terrible it turns me off the whole experience. Sounds like the Wapsi kit may be a way to go, but I'll definitely keep an ear out and come to the next beer tie.

 

There was also a certain appeal to the kits because they come with all the tools. 

 



On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 10:25:36 AM UTC-4, Michael Matheke-Fischer wrote:

Hi All, 

 

I'm reasonably new to fly fishing (picked it up last summer and spent about 3 months last summer exploring the area with reasonable success) and I really enjoy reading all the tips and stories on this forum. 

 

I'm about to be laid up for a few weeks following knee surgery, so I thought that might be a good time to try my hand at fly tying since I can't go out an practice my cast or watch fish laugh at my feeble presentation efforts. I was wondering if anyone had some advice on a good kit for beginners that is not too expensive and has all the tools I would need to get started. I saw that Orvis has a kits for about $180 bucks, but was wondering if anyone had other recommendations. 

 

I haven't been able to make it to a beer tie yet, but hoping I can soon.

 

Thanks!

 

Michael

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Good Reasonably Priced Fly-Tying Kit for Beginner

I'd echo what Scott said and pick up a decent vise and tools separately, rather than going with a kit, which likely includes sub-par equipment.

For most flies, all you need is a vise, bobbin, and scissors--the hair stackers, dubbing spinners, hackle pliers, and other tools can be picked up later if you need to tie flies that need it.

Staying under $150, I think you can put together a good kit, that will last forever and be less frustrating than the equipment that comes in a kit. I'd look at the entry-level vises from the high-profile companies; specifically the non-rotary models from Regal, Peak, and Renzetti are all around or under $100. The kit vises will break on you, and unless you get the tension perfect, your hooks will be sliding around. For scissors, Dr. Slick are good and should run you another $15-20--again, as Scott mentioned cheap scissors are the worst. For a bobbin, a cheap bobbin will shred your thread and you'll constantly break it off if you put much tension at all--a ceramic tipped or ceramic tubed bobbin will alleviate this and keep your thread from breaking. A good bobbin is $15-30, I specifically recommend use a Tiemco ceramic tube bobbin.

I think my recommended combo is the Clearwater of set-ups--it's not the top of the line gear but it is fully functional and won't hold you back any way. The pre-packaged kits I've used are the equivalent of a Wal-Mart 5wt with level-line.

Dalton

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Thursday, April 27, 2017

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Good Reasonably Priced Fly-Tying Kit for Beginner

Or you could go into your local fly shop that actually stocks and carries these products and support the people that fuel your addiction, help you find new adventures and plan for old ones, and help teach you to be the angler you hope to become.


On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:11 PM, Carl Z. <carl.zmola0@gmail.com> wrote:

I would go ahead and get the waspi kit and expect to supplement.  

* A nice griffin ceramic tip bobbin (maybe two)  The supreme ceramic tip or Magnum are both nice.

If you are going to tie dries, the following would be the next chunk to grab.
* Some decent hackle.  This is more expensive than the kit but will last a long time and be worth it.  Look for Metz or whitting hackle in a starter kit (they split the skins and give you a few different colors. 
* some more thread
* a chunk of moose body hair (for tails)
* a chunk of calf body hair for wulf hair wings and parachute posts
* some elk body hair for elk hair caddis
* a hair stacker (I don't think the wapsi kit comes with one)

* I would start with size 12 and 14 dries and work my way down to 16 and 18.

With this material, added on to the wapsi kit, you can tie anything and add on from there.  

With the speed things ship these days (feathercraft, jstockard, and others) you can start with the waspi kit and order these when you feel inspired.


Keep your eye out for an intermediate priced vise from someone who just upgrade do a dynaking. Gene are you selling one?  But this can wait. A nice vise is fantastic, but I think a nice bobin and good feathers make a bigger difference. 


Carl

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On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Michael Matheke-Fischer <michael.matheke@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Everyone! All great suggestions. 

I like the Helios analogy, I think what I am looking for is something like the Clearwater of vices, something reasonable but not so terrible it turns me off the whole experience. Sounds like the Wapsi kit may be a way to go, but I'll definitely keep an ear out and come to the next beer tie.

There was also a certain appeal to the kits because they come with all the tools. 



On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 10:25:36 AM UTC-4, Michael Matheke-Fischer wrote:
Hi All, 

I'm reasonably new to fly fishing (picked it up last summer and spent about 3 months last summer exploring the area with reasonable success) and I really enjoy reading all the tips and stories on this forum. 

I'm about to be laid up for a few weeks following knee surgery, so I thought that might be a good time to try my hand at fly tying since I can't go out an practice my cast or watch fish laugh at my feeble presentation efforts. I was wondering if anyone had some advice on a good kit for beginners that is not too expensive and has all the tools I would need to get started. I saw that Orvis has a kits for about $180 bucks, but was wondering if anyone had other recommendations. 

I haven't been able to make it to a beer tie yet, but hoping I can soon.

Thanks!

Michael

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Good Reasonably Priced Fly-Tying Kit for Beginner

I would go ahead and get the waspi kit and expect to supplement.  

* A nice griffin ceramic tip bobbin (maybe two)  The supreme ceramic tip or Magnum are both nice.

If you are going to tie dries, the following would be the next chunk to grab.
* Some decent hackle.  This is more expensive than the kit but will last a long time and be worth it.  Look for Metz or whitting hackle in a starter kit (they split the skins and give you a few different colors. 
* some more thread
* a chunk of moose body hair (for tails)
* a chunk of calf body hair for wulf hair wings and parachute posts
* some elk body hair for elk hair caddis
* a hair stacker (I don't think the wapsi kit comes with one)

* I would start with size 12 and 14 dries and work my way down to 16 and 18.

With this material, added on to the wapsi kit, you can tie anything and add on from there.  

With the speed things ship these days (feathercraft, jstockard, and others) you can start with the waspi kit and order these when you feel inspired.


Keep your eye out for an intermediate priced vise from someone who just upgrade do a dynaking. Gene are you selling one?  But this can wait. A nice vise is fantastic, but I think a nice bobin and good feathers make a bigger difference. 


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On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Michael Matheke-Fischer <michael.matheke@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Everyone! All great suggestions. 

I like the Helios analogy, I think what I am looking for is something like the Clearwater of vices, something reasonable but not so terrible it turns me off the whole experience. Sounds like the Wapsi kit may be a way to go, but I'll definitely keep an ear out and come to the next beer tie.

There was also a certain appeal to the kits because they come with all the tools. 



On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 10:25:36 AM UTC-4, Michael Matheke-Fischer wrote:
Hi All, 

I'm reasonably new to fly fishing (picked it up last summer and spent about 3 months last summer exploring the area with reasonable success) and I really enjoy reading all the tips and stories on this forum. 

I'm about to be laid up for a few weeks following knee surgery, so I thought that might be a good time to try my hand at fly tying since I can't go out an practice my cast or watch fish laugh at my feeble presentation efforts. I was wondering if anyone had some advice on a good kit for beginners that is not too expensive and has all the tools I would need to get started. I saw that Orvis has a kits for about $180 bucks, but was wondering if anyone had other recommendations. 

I haven't been able to make it to a beer tie yet, but hoping I can soon.

Thanks!

Michael

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Rains and the Potomac

I actually thought the opposite. It seemed like everything was running bigger this year. Some smaller hickories in the mix, but lots of big ones too. Though I have spent a lot more time in the boat this near and next to no time on shore. 

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 12:57:49 PM UTC-4, Yambag Nelson wrote:
I got out for a bit yesterday afternoon and didn't do great.  A couple hickories was all.  Nowhere near what it was like a couple of weeks ago.

Also, have the hickories been running small for everyone else this year?  I caught one huge one in March but other than that the biggest ones from this have been what I would consider average for the last couple years.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: American or Hickory?

Hey Anthony,

I always thought the Flycraft was a two person raft. Is that a mod?

Also, besides the Potomac, where else do you guys run it around here (the doah, yough, NB)? How does it track compared to a regular raft? Is there room to stand?

I've been in the market for a raft or drifter for a while and have been looking at the Stealthraft or the NRS freestone because I want a 3 person setup, but if the flycraft can fit 3 guys relatively comfortably, I may check it out.

Tight Lines,

Andrew R

On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 6:58:42 PM UTC-4, Anthony Olson wrote:
Tperkins, its awesome. Its my buddies and we've taken it threw some pretty nasty stuff no problem. It only takes about 20 min to put all together once you get the hang of things. Living in the city and being able to keep it in the bed of the truck is obviously the biggest upside. 

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:51:09 AM UTC-4, tperkins wrote:
How do you like the Flycraft? 


On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 11:37:15 AM UTC-4, Anthony Olson wrote:

I'm sure there are a bunch of posts about this but just wanted to get a quick answer. Fished fletchers last night from about 6-830 and caught well over 30 fish with the first one of the night being the biggest. Is this an American shad and what's the easiest way to identify (I'm assuming it is more than just the size of them?) 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Good Reasonably Priced Fly-Tying Kit for Beginner

Thanks Everyone! All great suggestions. 

I like the Helios analogy, I think what I am looking for is something like the Clearwater of vices, something reasonable but not so terrible it turns me off the whole experience. Sounds like the Wapsi kit may be a way to go, but I'll definitely keep an ear out and come to the next beer tie.

There was also a certain appeal to the kits because they come with all the tools. 



On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 10:25:36 AM UTC-4, Michael Matheke-Fischer wrote:
Hi All, 

I'm reasonably new to fly fishing (picked it up last summer and spent about 3 months last summer exploring the area with reasonable success) and I really enjoy reading all the tips and stories on this forum. 

I'm about to be laid up for a few weeks following knee surgery, so I thought that might be a good time to try my hand at fly tying since I can't go out an practice my cast or watch fish laugh at my feeble presentation efforts. I was wondering if anyone had some advice on a good kit for beginners that is not too expensive and has all the tools I would need to get started. I saw that Orvis has a kits for about $180 bucks, but was wondering if anyone had other recommendations. 

I haven't been able to make it to a beer tie yet, but hoping I can soon.

Thanks!

Michael

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Good Reasonably Priced Fly-Tying Kit for Beginner

Good point - I think the Wapsi beginner kit is good enough to avoid this situation though.  I still use all of the tools from that kit except the vise.  Scissors still sharp

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 12:38:00 PM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
Sure, but beware the self-fulfilling prophecy.  "I think I may enjoy cycling, but since I'm not sure about that I'll just start with this $100 department store bike that wasn't adjusted properly, doesn't shift across the cassette, has a terrible saddle and weighs 45 pounds".  Then after 1-2 rides "Yeah, you know I decided I don't really enjoy cycling much".  

Gene

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 11:26:09 AM UTC-4, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:
Gene, my logic is that buying each part separately is way too much of an investment to make before you even know if you enjoy fly tying.  Once you reach that point where you know you want to continue with it, or if you have tons of money laying around, then go for it.  I agree 100% that starter kit materials will cause frustration, but for me it was only once I wanted to move onto more complicated flies that I felt the need to upgrade.

I wouldn't recommend a beginning fly fisher to go out and buy an Orvis Helios for their first rod...I am applying the same reasoning to fly tying.  

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 10:53:53 AM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
I tied for a while on an entry-level vise and did okay, but I really do think Scott has it right here. 

Put it this way -- any vise on the market that currently costs ~$300 or more is likely to be the best thing you've ever used and will probably last until you are dead or moribund. I love the dyna-king vises.   

If I regret anything, it is not going for the dyna-king sooner

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I had the wapsi kit as well, and the arm to close the vise jaws snapped on me after about a year.  The instructional booklet was helpful though for learning some basic techniques, and it came with some decent tying materials.  It's nice to have all of the tools (bobbin, scissors, etc) come in the kit as well and not have to buy those separately.  I'd say it's good enough to start out on but if you really start getting into tying, you'll want to upgrade the vise for sure.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Good Reasonably Priced Fly-Tying Kit for Beginner

...And the other part of that prophecy, that renting good gear for 1/3 of the purchase price (after you sell it on) can be a valuable learning experience. 




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Sure, but beware the self-fulfilling prophecy.  "I think I may enjoy cycling, but since I'm not sure about that I'll just start with this $100 department store bike that wasn't adjusted properly, doesn't shift across the cassette, has a terrible saddle and weighs 45 pounds".  Then after 1-2 rides "Yeah, you know I decided I don't really enjoy cycling much".  

Gene

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Gene, my logic is that buying each part separately is way too much of an investment to make before you even know if you enjoy fly tying.  Once you reach that point where you know you want to continue with it, or if you have tons of money laying around, then go for it.  I agree 100% that starter kit materials will cause frustration, but for me it was only once I wanted to move onto more complicated flies that I felt the need to upgrade.

I wouldn't recommend a beginning fly fisher to go out and buy an Orvis Helios for their first rod...I am applying the same reasoning to fly tying.  

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 10:53:53 AM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
I tied for a while on an entry-level vise and did okay, but I really do think Scott has it right here.  

Put it this way -- any vise on the market that currently costs ~$300 or more is likely to be the best thing you've ever used and will probably last until you are dead or moribund. I love the dyna-king vises.    

If I regret anything, it is not going for the dyna-king sooner 

Gene

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 10:39:30 AM UTC-4, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:
I had the wapsi kit as well, and the arm to close the vise jaws snapped on me after about a year.  The instructional booklet was helpful though for learning some basic techniques, and it came with some decent tying materials.  It's nice to have all of the tools (bobbin, scissors, etc) come in the kit as well and not have to buy those separately.  I'd say it's good enough to start out on but if you really start getting into tying, you'll want to upgrade the vise for sure.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Rains and the Potomac

We're catching loads of fish right now. Perch are taking the flies before the shad. 

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Does anyone know how much the recent rain has affected the Potomac (from Chain Bridge to Fletchers)? Or rather, whether the river is likely to be too muddy to fish Fri-Sat-Sun?

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Rains and the Potomac

I got out for a bit yesterday afternoon and didn't do great. A couple hickories was all. Nowhere near what it was like a couple of weeks ago.

Also, have the hickories been running small for everyone else this year? I caught one huge one in March but other than that the biggest ones from this have been what I would consider average for the last couple years.

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Sure, but beware the self-fulfilling prophecy.  "I think I may enjoy cycling, but since I'm not sure about that I'll just start with this $100 department store bike that wasn't adjusted properly, doesn't shift across the cassette, has a terrible saddle and weighs 45 pounds".  Then after 1-2 rides "Yeah, you know I decided I don't really enjoy cycling much".  

Gene

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 11:26:09 AM UTC-4, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:
Gene, my logic is that buying each part separately is way too much of an investment to make before you even know if you enjoy fly tying.  Once you reach that point where you know you want to continue with it, or if you have tons of money laying around, then go for it.  I agree 100% that starter kit materials will cause frustration, but for me it was only once I wanted to move onto more complicated flies that I felt the need to upgrade.

I wouldn't recommend a beginning fly fisher to go out and buy an Orvis Helios for their first rod...I am applying the same reasoning to fly tying.  

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 10:53:53 AM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
I tied for a while on an entry-level vise and did okay, but I really do think Scott has it right here. 

Put it this way -- any vise on the market that currently costs ~$300 or more is likely to be the best thing you've ever used and will probably last until you are dead or moribund. I love the dyna-king vises.   

If I regret anything, it is not going for the dyna-king sooner

Gene

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 10:39:30 AM UTC-4, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:
I had the wapsi kit as well, and the arm to close the vise jaws snapped on me after about a year.  The instructional booklet was helpful though for learning some basic techniques, and it came with some decent tying materials.  It's nice to have all of the tools (bobbin, scissors, etc) come in the kit as well and not have to buy those separately.  I'd say it's good enough to start out on but if you really start getting into tying, you'll want to upgrade the vise for sure.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Rains and the Potomac

I was skunked on the fly rod last night. We had some success with darts on the spin gear - perch, herring, and a couple of hickories. The water felt very cold, maybe the temp drop made an impression. But there was a huge surge of bait fish activity right at dusk in the cove itself. Fish rising everywhere for about 20 minutes, then it just died out suddenly right at dusk. was cool. 

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 11:48:02 AM UTC-4, Brian Cohen wrote:
Fished it this morning from 6:00-9:00.    Looked fine - not too high, and clear enough to fish.

That said, I got skunked, and not many of the boats around us seemed to be catching much either.  

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Rains and the Potomac

Fished it this morning from 6:00-9:00.    Looked fine - not too high, and clear enough to fish.

That said, I got skunked, and not many of the boats around us seemed to be catching much either.  

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Rains and the Potomac

Current Conditions:

Future Prediction:





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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Rains and the Potomac

Does anyone know how much the recent rain has affected the Potomac (from Chain Bridge to Fletchers)? Or rather, whether the river is likely to be too muddy to fish Fri-Sat-Sun?

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Good Reasonably Priced Fly-Tying Kit for Beginner

Gene, my logic is that buying each part separately is way too much of an investment to make before you even know if you enjoy fly tying.  Once you reach that point where you know you want to continue with it, or if you have tons of money laying around, then go for it.  I agree 100% that starter kit materials will cause frustration, but for me it was only once I wanted to move onto more complicated flies that I felt the need to upgrade.

I wouldn't recommend a beginning fly fisher to go out and buy an Orvis Helios for their first rod...I am applying the same reasoning to fly tying.  

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 10:53:53 AM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
I tied for a while on an entry-level vise and did okay, but I really do think Scott has it right here. 

Put it this way -- any vise on the market that currently costs ~$300 or more is likely to be the best thing you've ever used and will probably last until you are dead or moribund. I love the dyna-king vises.   

If I regret anything, it is not going for the dyna-king sooner

Gene

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 10:39:30 AM UTC-4, Andrew Sarcinello wrote:
I had the wapsi kit as well, and the arm to close the vise jaws snapped on me after about a year.  The instructional booklet was helpful though for learning some basic techniques, and it came with some decent tying materials.  It's nice to have all of the tools (bobbin, scissors, etc) come in the kit as well and not have to buy those separately.  I'd say it's good enough to start out on but if you really start getting into tying, you'll want to upgrade the vise for sure.

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