Saturday, October 31, 2015

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

I'm in. Need some help with my single hand casting.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Noob Question: Line Choice

Thanks Carl. I'll check'em out.

Best,

Dave

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 9:22:24 PM UTC-4, Carl wrote:

Dave,

I wouldn't buy used lines from ebay. I purchased these from someone I knew through a forum, but someone I have met and know how they take care of their equipment. If you go to fly shows, some of the vendors will have used lines. They usually get them when they buy reels and if they are any good, they strip them off. Then you can look at them and make sure they are not cracked and do not have a memory of being on the reel.

I usually buy these for casting practice or to round out the line weights I don't have and they go for $10-15. If they only last a half a season, I'm still ahead.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:21 AM, namfos <mark....@gmail.com> wrote:
Or if you're cheap like me, keep your WF line on one inexpensive reel and your DT on another inexpensive reel. That way you don't have to fumble around with spare spools and it's less labor than unspooling.

Mark

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 9:42:14 PM UTC-4, Carl wrote:
Some rules I work with are:

Spare spools of different reels are nice, but you can pull the line off and store it in a loose coil in a ziplock bag as well. It isn't quick change but it doesn't take that much time to respool a line.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fly Tying Clinic on Saturday - Trick Or Treat: Halloween Inspired Flies

Thanks guys. Ivan is a natural teacher if there ever was one. Al is great too.

Gene

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

John, also planning there with my Spey rod.

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On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:24 PM, John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> wrote:

Sounds good.
See you there.
John

On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Bob Bishop wrote:

John,
I'm planning on coming in the morning if the Royals don't keep me up too late. I was there with Tom Guffain several weeks ago.

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On Oct 30, 2015, at 4:43 PM, John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> wrote:

I will be down at Fletcher's Boat House off Canal Rd on Sunday morning with several other instructors if anyone would like to work on their single or two handed casting.

Look for the green suburban at the end of the lower lot from about 8:30-10. New single hand casters will work on loops and shooting line, intermediates will focus on improving distance. Two handed casters will do single spey or snap T casts and angle changes. The water was cool and muddy today, but should clear by Sunday.

Let me know if you might stop by and what you would like to work on.

See you there,

John

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

Sounds good.

See you there.

John

On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Bob Bishop wrote:

John,
I'm planning on coming in the morning if the Royals don't keep me up too late. I was there with Tom Guffain several weeks ago.

Sent from my iPad.

On Oct 30, 2015, at 4:43 PM, John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> wrote:

I will be down at Fletcher's Boat House off Canal Rd on Sunday morning with several other instructors if anyone would like to work on their single or two handed casting.

Look for the green suburban at the end of the lower lot from about 8:30-10. New single hand casters will work on loops and shooting line, intermediates will focus on improving distance. Two handed casters will do single spey or snap T casts and angle changes. The water was cool and muddy today, but should clear by Sunday.

Let me know if you might stop by and what you would like to work on.

See you there,

John

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

Great. I will see you there.

We have a good group of instructors coming - Dalton, Trent, Art, Andy, Michael and a few others.

John

On Oct 31, 2015, at 8:17 AM, James Ovelmen wrote:

> I am planning on coming and working on two handed Spey
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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

John,

I'm planning on coming in the morning if the Royals don't keep me up too late. I was there with Tom Guffain several weeks ago.

Sent from my iPad.

On Oct 30, 2015, at 4:43 PM, John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> wrote:

I will be down at Fletcher's Boat House off Canal Rd on Sunday morning with several other instructors if anyone would like to work on their single or two handed casting.

Look for the green suburban at the end of the lower lot from about 8:30-10. New single hand casters will work on loops and shooting line, intermediates will focus on improving distance. Two handed casters will do single spey or snap T casts and angle changes. The water was cool and muddy today, but should clear by Sunday.

Let me know if you might stop by and what you would like to work on.

See you there,

John

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Prompted by the Noob Question about lines

But casting is more fun.

I have a $10 ebay micro-scale that has a 'grains' option built in. It's a fairly easy process. coil up the first 30ft and put a twist tie on it. weigh it and subtract out the weight of the twist tie (2-3grains). I usually tare my scale with the twist tie.

You have to be careful with how the rest of the line lies off to the edge, but it is close enough. It isn't a precise science. Originally it was measure the first 31 feet and subtract out the first foot since that was often level and designed to be cut back after you tie a nail knot on. The actual ratings are a range and depending on the taper of the line.

Umpqua makes a hanging line scale that makes sense if you have a bunch of them. I think it goes for a bit over $20.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:50 AM, namfos <mark.sofman@gmail.com> wrote:

I've acquired a couple, three fly lines, but I've no clue what line weight they are - all appear to be WF floaters. I suppose I could get out on the lawn with my 3, 4, 5, 7 and 8 wts and try to determine line weight, but is there some other less laborious way of identifying what the line weights of unlabeled anonymous lines might be?

Mark

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

Ill be there to work with anyone interested in beginner or intermediate single hand casting.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

I am planning on coming and working on two handed Spey

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Friday, October 30, 2015

{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} High water Virginia browns, etc.

Gene,

Great pics! Way to make the best of a bad situation. As far as the streamers go im not sure there is a wrong way to fish em. I will say this when those little streams get super high the hydraulics in the middle get nasty and the fish push up on the edges to get food and protection . I like to high stick streamers right on the edge when its up and muddy. On smaller high gradient stream I like to throw up stream and rip it down fast to simulate something fleeing. If you strip slow you loose tension.

Art

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Some TPFR updates

Rob,

I just ordered a Square reader and set up the account yesterday, Rob.

Davis,

I'll follow Dan's lead and open an invitation for you to operate online sales and shipment of gear. Half jokingly but half seriously... I know this would raise us more money but is more hassle than I can handle right now.

Dalton

On Friday, October 30, 2015, Rob Snowhite <rob@robsnowhite.com> wrote:

If we get a square reader I can set up the e commerce site through square inc.

Maybe tpfr face masks down the line too?

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On Oct 30, 2015, at 7:14 PM, TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> wrote:

Ditto -- I can appreciate how much "behind the scenes" work goes into all of this. Thank you --

Gene

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 6:40:35 PM UTC-4, D. Walker wrote:
Will the shirts/ hats be available to purchase online somewhere or only at beer ties. Just wondering so that someone does not have to lug all the shirts and hats into the beer tie every month etc and also make them more accessible to members. Just food for thought.
Dalton I love the initiative you have taken!

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Noob Question: Line Choice

Dave,

I wouldn't buy used lines from ebay. I purchased these from someone I knew through a forum, but someone I have met and know how they take care of their equipment. If you go to fly shows, some of the vendors will have used lines. They usually get them when they buy reels and if they are any good, they strip them off. Then you can look at them and make sure they are not cracked and do not have a memory of being on the reel.

I usually buy these for casting practice or to round out the line weights I don't have and they go for $10-15. If they only last a half a season, I'm still ahead.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:21 AM, namfos <mark.sofman@gmail.com> wrote:

Or if you're cheap like me, keep your WF line on one inexpensive reel and your DT on another inexpensive reel. That way you don't have to fumble around with spare spools and it's less labor than unspooling.

Mark

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 9:42:14 PM UTC-4, Carl wrote:
Some rules I work with are:

Spare spools of different reels are nice, but you can pull the line off and store it in a loose coil in a ziplock bag as well. It isn't quick change but it doesn't take that much time to respool a line.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Piney Branch - heaven on earth - report for Bruce

Thanks for the info Bruce -- that's helpful. Stuff like that saves a lot of gas/time/hassle.

Gene

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 1:52:04 PM UTC-4, Danny Barrett wrote:

Thanks for the information. I will have to venture down to it and try my luck sometime soon.

Thanks,

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On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Jeremy Dusina <jdu...@gmail.com> wrote:
the ranger station is at mile marker 22 on Skyline. Gene is correct - can't miss the trail head.

For me, here are some comparisons between the two streams:
- both beautiful and likely sparsely populated by other fisher-persons
- Rap is slightly larger water, if only slightly.
- both hold tons of hungry brookies
- Piney brookies seem a touch more eager to investigate a dry fly
- Rap is more difficult on your vehicle to reach the head waters as you have a good 30 minutes on a fire road
- Piney is a good 1.5- 2 mile hike down from Skyline or up from the bottom before reaching water - not sure if that is a pro or con. But remember that if you hike down from Skyline, there is an uphill hike back to your vehicle/camp at the end of the day
- both offer countless pools of gin clear water - more than you can cover in a day, even with a buddy leap frogging each other.
- Rap seemed to have a few more riffles that held fish between the pools (maybe that was user error on my part on Piney)
- I use a 6'6" 3wt and have no problem casting on either stream
- Piney pools seemed more accessible from dry land

I have been to the Rapidan several times and once to Piney. I plan to return to both.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 8:50:30 PM UTC-4, Danny Barrett wrote:
Having seen a lot of talk about Piney. Im curious, for those of you that have fished both it and the Rapidan. Can you offer any pros or cons between them?

Thanks,

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:09 PM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know for sure because I haven't tried the bottom, but access from skyline is at the ranger station across from Mathew's Arm more or less. You can't miss the trailhead marker as you pull in....just look to your left.

Let us know how you do if you make it out!

Gene

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 3:31:26 PM UTC-4, Nick W wrote:
Whats the best way to access Piney, Bruce and Gene?

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 4:23:03 PM UTC-4, TurbineBlade wrote:
Hey Bruce -- We finally took your advice (I gave you my word!) and tried this one for the first time. What a wonderful SNP stream! We fished the entire 4-day weekend in the SNP and both thoroughly stink of fish slime. I think the Piney tallied 5 total streams, but was the only new one.

We thought Piney would be a bit smaller than it actually was, not that small is bad. It is full of plunge pools and actually holds some larger brookies than we imagined....especially further down from the first trail crossing.

We hiked in 1.8 miles or so and busted our way to the stream just past the phone pole, right-of-way on piney branch trail. You can hear the stream most of the way after the first crossing. We could have gone a bit further, but we've hiked/fishing enough in the SNP to know how long it takes to hike back up to skyline (when you're tired and hungry), and knew we'd need to get ready for the beer tie this evening.

Awesome, awesome stream. We loved it. Will go back.

It's another one that "Rapidan fans" will like. Unlike the Rap, you seem to get more fish in the good spots and they're a bit more naive. Come to think of it, the Rap has probably taught me more about fishing than anywhere else.

Anyway, I hate long reports. It's like listening to someone talk about their crappy garage band and you keep nodding and wondering if you could fit through the bathroom window to escape. (I played in more than one crappy garage band, so no offense meant).

Saw one pair of hikers -- that's it. No bears, surprisingly. I don't think many SNP streams with a 1.5 mile or more uphill climb back to Skyline see many American fly fishermen.

Gene

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} High water Virginia browns, etc.

I was surprised at how high the lower Rap was on our trip to ConRapiStaunDitch this morning. I failed to check the Culpeper gauge! Anyway, the road was washed up a bit (4X4) and I knew I was in trouble once I stepped out of the truck and heard how LOUD the stream was. I'm not a great streamer fisherman, and figured I'd brush up on the nymph (and duo) game. If anyone is a trout streamer specialist -- lay some information on me! I've not mastered it whatsoever.

Levels might be better this Sunday, but boy are they high now. If you're out just plan to move along more quickly than usual to find the soft spots on the edges (and behind the occasional rock). They're in there -- but tactics change somewhat. Personally, I'd stick to skyline if you intended to get out. Pretty, pretty!

Hope everyone is outdoors and happy!

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Some TPFR updates

If we get a square reader I can set up the e commerce site through square inc.

Maybe tpfr face masks down the line too?

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On Oct 30, 2015, at 7:14 PM, TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> wrote:

Ditto -- I can appreciate how much "behind the scenes" work goes into all of this. Thank you --

Gene

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 6:40:35 PM UTC-4, D. Walker wrote:
Will the shirts/ hats be available to purchase online somewhere or only at beer ties. Just wondering so that someone does not have to lug all the shirts and hats into the beer tie every month etc and also make them more accessible to members. Just food for thought.
Dalton I love the initiative you have taken!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Some TPFR updates

Ditto -- I can appreciate how much "behind the scenes" work goes into all of this. Thank you --

Gene

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Will the shirts/ hats be available to purchase online somewhere or only at beer ties. Just wondering so that someone does not have to lug all the shirts and hats into the beer tie every month etc and also make them more accessible to members. Just food for thought.
Dalton I love the initiative you have taken!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Some TPFR updates

Will the shirts/ hats be available to purchase online somewhere or only at beer ties. Just wondering so that someone does not have to lug all the shirts and hats into the beer tie every month etc and also make them more accessible to members. Just food for thought.
Dalton I love the initiative you have taken!

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

I plan on making it down to help out. (or just cast).

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:43 PM, John Bilotta <jbilotta@obassociates.net> wrote:

I will be down at Fletcher's Boat House off Canal Rd on Sunday morning with several other instructors if anyone would like to work on their single or two handed casting.

Look for the green suburban at the end of the lower lot from about 8:30-10. New single hand casters will work on loops and shooting line, intermediates will focus on improving distance. Two handed casters will do single spey or snap T casts and angle changes. The water was cool and muddy today, but should clear by Sunday.

Let me know if you might stop by and what you would like to work on.

See you there,

John

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Sunday club casting 8:30-10

I will be down at Fletcher's Boat House off Canal Rd on Sunday morning with several other instructors if anyone would like to work on their single or two handed casting.

Look for the green suburban at the end of the lower lot from about 8:30-10. New single hand casters will work on loops and shooting line, intermediates will focus on improving distance. Two handed casters will do single spey or snap T casts and angle changes. The water was cool and muddy today, but should clear by Sunday.

Let me know if you might stop by and what you would like to work on.

See you there,

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Fly Tying Clinic on Saturday - Trick Or Treat: Halloween Inspired Flies

Learn to tie some cool patterns at the Old Town shop. Bring your vise, your tools, and some thread. We provide all the materials, as well as coffee and donuts.

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this Saturday morning at our free "Tie-Along" clinic

This Saturday - October 31st, from 10:00am until noon in our Old Town Alexandria, VA shop.

Bring in your vise and tying tools, and tie along with us. Learn tips, tricks, and the special techniques for tying amazing flies that will help you catch more fish.

You will tie alongside Urban Angler shop employees, local guides, and well known tyers in the fly fishing industry.

These clinics will cover a range of regional and seasonal fly patterns. From local specialty patterns to unique flies for exotic species.

Space is limited, so arrive early and have fun. Tie one on!

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Call To Action Petition - Donald Trump vs Potomac Shoreline

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Jet Oil Spill at DCA

Wonder what beer the airport spokesman drinks....

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Just saw this. Hoping it isn't too bad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/fuel-spills-into-potomac-river-at-area-south-of-reagan-national-airport/2015/10/30/e5180c96-7f12-11e5-afce-2afd1d3eb896_story.html

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Jet Oil Spill at DCA

Just saw this. Hoping it isn't too bad.

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Some TPFR updates

Mark,

10-4, we're on the same page about performance shirts, and I think the supplier we're going to use for hats has the UPF polyester shirts for a price that allows us to make some money and be palpable to our members (between $20-30).

For the Beer Tie assignment, we'd like to try this out with TPFR providing the materials and a recipe (maybe an expert demonstrator as well), so we don't send you guys on a wild goose chase for materials. I'll put up a post next week about November 9th Beer Tie highlighting exactly what we're going to do. Perhaps we could get a rotation of these assignments and Iron Vise going?

Mark, thanks for the suggestions and ideas, and thanks to everyone who has and will reach out personally!

Dalton

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Some TPFR updates

Shirts: t-shirts are cool, but not just cotton. How about printing on "performance" fabric, polyester, long sleeve and short sleeve. If the new graphic isn't too too complicated perhaps offer an option for having it embroidered on polo shirts and/or "technical" fishing shirts. If TPFR is not sure of overall demand, perhaps take orders in advance. There are also web sites that will take your submitted design and then do the rest and sell via the Web. Downside is that they get the major cut from sales with a lesser bit going to the designer/seller.

I think a Pattern Assignment is a great idea. Perhaps establish a schedule for same 6 or 12 months in advance and include it with Beer Tie notices.

More Iron Vise would be fun too - I know I'd donate excess/surplus materials for those taking on the challenge. I'd even be willing to help parcel our the stuff into packets for competing tiers. This might also be an opportunity to conduct my idea of group shopping at a craft store. (apologies to the shop guys)

Mark

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