Monday, November 30, 2015

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cattaraugus creek report

I've wanted to try centerpinning (or at least float fishing) for warmwater fish on the non-tidal Potomac.  I'm not sure I'm willing to shell out $200 bucks for a centerpin reel, so will probably use a spinning reel to give it a try.

I can see a conflict between fly anglers and Centerpinners.  You could line up 5 centerpinners across the river and each would get his own float.  Sort of like Fletchers in the spring. However one guy swinging a streamer across stream would really muck things up. (or vice versa, one pinner could drift down where multiple fly anglers are trying to swing streamers.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Danny Barrett <dannytbarrett@gmail.com> wrote:
Center pins are a pain on smaller creeks.  Always thought about using one with nymphs.  The ability to get a long drift with no drag is a cool thought. 


On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:36 AM, TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> wrote:
I forgot -- we also used some kind of "small" streamer based upon a Senyo pattern (black and blue, craft fur on a #10 heavy scud hook of some kind).  I like "small" streamers for most all my warm water fishing, so that one was fun for me to fish. 

And also a tube fly -- those things are weird.  Nothing hit the tube fly though. 

Some guys at the mouth of silver creek were "center pinning" with bait bags or something.  I was unfamiliar with this "center pin" thing, but most of the guys we talked to didn't have a high opinion of it (or maybe just the particular individuals doing it).  At first glance, I thought one of those outfits was a fly rod until I saw it flex. 

Gene

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 7:08:38 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
Rob -- We were guided for the majority of the time we were on the water, so we mostly fished an egg and woolly bugger combo, both nymphing and swinging when the temp hit 46F in the afternoon. 

I did use a few of the eggs and those orange, huge PT nymph things.  Got hit on eggs one day behind the cabin. 

So I still have most of your kind donation -- I'll bring to next tie and you can reclaim them ;).  Burger on us regardless -- we could have fished and lost every darned one of 'em and there would be no difference! 

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Glad the flies worked! Which ones were your favorites? 

Lamprey pie, better than a burger 
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On Nov 29, 2015, at 2:09 PM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh -- We still owe you a burger Rob.  We haven't forgotten.  

A Lannister always pays his debts.  

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
We had a good time for our first attempt at steelhead.  None we landed were big, but the smaller, more silvery-colored ones were hard to get into the net!  The bigger, darker ones were easier...but still full of life.    

I learned that the Catt is somewhat temperamental with regard to water levels, but we had a good first day on it.  The second day the Catt was rising fast from rain during the previous night, so we went to 18-mile creek instead, which was throwing too much mud (and oak leaves), so we didn't spend much time there.  Silver creek was money though, and we got some action toward the afternoon on it once we found the fish.  

We gathered from the locals (including a really, really nice spey guy out there) that it has been a fairly tough year up there.  We decided that the 10-11 hooked fish and 7(?) landed between us was good.  

Beth hooked and landed more fish than I did, and she hooked a really big female at one point that pulled out on here right at the net.  That was disappointing for her, but stuff happens.  ;)  

On the way up I wondered whether people kept and/or ate steelhead, but after catching one I don't think I could keep one.  Just a personal choice.  They have a lot of life -- 

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{Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Conway River Browns


I have fished the Conway.  It was my favorite Trout Stream when I lived out that way.  It is a beautiful stretch of water.

I use to fish the lower end of it.  I did pretty good on the native browns.  There are some tenacious brookies in there as well.

 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cattaraugus creek report

Center pins are a pain on smaller creeks.  Always thought about using one with nymphs.  The ability to get a long drift with no drag is a cool thought. 

Thanks,

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On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:36 AM, TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> wrote:
I forgot -- we also used some kind of "small" streamer based upon a Senyo pattern (black and blue, craft fur on a #10 heavy scud hook of some kind).  I like "small" streamers for most all my warm water fishing, so that one was fun for me to fish. 

And also a tube fly -- those things are weird.  Nothing hit the tube fly though. 

Some guys at the mouth of silver creek were "center pinning" with bait bags or something.  I was unfamiliar with this "center pin" thing, but most of the guys we talked to didn't have a high opinion of it (or maybe just the particular individuals doing it).  At first glance, I thought one of those outfits was a fly rod until I saw it flex. 

Gene

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 7:08:38 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
Rob -- We were guided for the majority of the time we were on the water, so we mostly fished an egg and woolly bugger combo, both nymphing and swinging when the temp hit 46F in the afternoon. 

I did use a few of the eggs and those orange, huge PT nymph things.  Got hit on eggs one day behind the cabin. 

So I still have most of your kind donation -- I'll bring to next tie and you can reclaim them ;).  Burger on us regardless -- we could have fished and lost every darned one of 'em and there would be no difference! 

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Glad the flies worked! Which ones were your favorites? 

Lamprey pie, better than a burger 
image1.jpegSent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2015, at 2:09 PM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh -- We still owe you a burger Rob.  We haven't forgotten.  

A Lannister always pays his debts.  

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
We had a good time for our first attempt at steelhead.  None we landed were big, but the smaller, more silvery-colored ones were hard to get into the net!  The bigger, darker ones were easier...but still full of life.    

I learned that the Catt is somewhat temperamental with regard to water levels, but we had a good first day on it.  The second day the Catt was rising fast from rain during the previous night, so we went to 18-mile creek instead, which was throwing too much mud (and oak leaves), so we didn't spend much time there.  Silver creek was money though, and we got some action toward the afternoon on it once we found the fish.  

We gathered from the locals (including a really, really nice spey guy out there) that it has been a fairly tough year up there.  We decided that the 10-11 hooked fish and 7(?) landed between us was good.  

Beth hooked and landed more fish than I did, and she hooked a really big female at one point that pulled out on here right at the net.  That was disappointing for her, but stuff happens.  ;)  

On the way up I wondered whether people kept and/or ate steelhead, but after catching one I don't think I could keep one.  Just a personal choice.  They have a lot of life -- 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cattaraugus creek report

Not a problem!  I just spoke with the guy and he was insisting that it was legit -- he mentioned the Ontario tribs were single-fly still though. 

No -- the truth is that I really didn't know and am a lot more aware for future trips to either place!  Everyone should be aware of the regs and never just trust other folks to know for you. 

Thanks,

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 10:57:19 AM UTC-5, Yambag Nelson wrote:
Actually it looks like I may be wrong.  Seems as if New York State changed the rule just a few months ago.  My bad, it was illegal for as long as I have been fishing up there. 
 
 

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 10:51:08 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
That's kind of a shame -- it seems like there are always various "tackle groups" which get reputations like that.  I'm sure a lot of good folks use centerpin gear and respect the fishery. 

I deleted the post regarding "rigs" -- but thank you for making me aware of that.  It never occurred to me to check that using a guide (nor on water where bait is permitted), but I'm angry enough to contact the guy.  When we fished solo, we swung streamers on a poly leader (or teeny t-200 in my case) and did "okay".  I would have been happy just doing that.  I wonder how many folks up there are totally unaware...

I can't imagine hooking 30 or more steelhead in a day.  I think I'd need Tylenol afterward. 

Gene

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 9:52:03 AM UTC-5, Yambag Nelson wrote:
As far as centerpinners go, no they are generally not highly regarded.  I have met some that have been good guys and respectful anglers, but as a group they are notorious for running insanely long drifts without caring if they are floating down in front of other people.  There have been issues with people gutting large female browns for the eggs and throwing the rest of the fish in the bushes on the ontario tribs.  This behavior has also been attributed to the centerpinners who use the eggs for steelhead on the erie tribs.   
 
It is an extremely effective technique though.  Back when the fishing was really good on the erie tribs it was not uncommon for them to hook 30-50 fish a day.  I once met a guy who claimed he caught 100 fish in a day centerpinning but that doesn't seem mathematically possible. 
 
I pretty much exclusively swing with tube flies. 

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:36:50 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
I forgot -- we also used some kind of "small" streamer based upon a Senyo pattern (black and blue, craft fur on a #10 heavy scud hook of some kind).  I like "small" streamers for most all my warm water fishing, so that one was fun for me to fish. 

And also a tube fly -- those things are weird.  Nothing hit the tube fly though. 

Some guys at the mouth of silver creek were "center pinning" with bait bags or something.  I was unfamiliar with this "center pin" thing, but most of the guys we talked to didn't have a high opinion of it (or maybe just the particular individuals doing it).  At first glance, I thought one of those outfits was a fly rod until I saw it flex. 

Gene

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 7:08:38 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
Rob -- We were guided for the majority of the time we were on the water, so we mostly fished an egg and woolly bugger combo, both nymphing and swinging when the temp hit 46F in the afternoon. 

I did use a few of the eggs and those orange, huge PT nymph things.  Got hit on eggs one day behind the cabin. 

So I still have most of your kind donation -- I'll bring to next tie and you can reclaim them ;).  Burger on us regardless -- we could have fished and lost every darned one of 'em and there would be no difference! 

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Glad the flies worked! Which ones were your favorites? 

Lamprey pie, better than a burger 
image1.jpegSent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2015, at 2:09 PM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh -- We still owe you a burger Rob.  We haven't forgotten.  

A Lannister always pays his debts.  

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
We had a good time for our first attempt at steelhead.  None we landed were big, but the smaller, more silvery-colored ones were hard to get into the net!  The bigger, darker ones were easier...but still full of life.    

I learned that the Catt is somewhat temperamental with regard to water levels, but we had a good first day on it.  The second day the Catt was rising fast from rain during the previous night, so we went to 18-mile creek instead, which was throwing too much mud (and oak leaves), so we didn't spend much time there.  Silver creek was money though, and we got some action toward the afternoon on it once we found the fish.  

We gathered from the locals (including a really, really nice spey guy out there) that it has been a fairly tough year up there.  We decided that the 10-11 hooked fish and 7(?) landed between us was good.  

Beth hooked and landed more fish than I did, and she hooked a really big female at one point that pulled out on here right at the net.  That was disappointing for her, but stuff happens.  ;)  

On the way up I wondered whether people kept and/or ate steelhead, but after catching one I don't think I could keep one.  Just a personal choice.  They have a lot of life -- 

Gene

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} TPFR Product Testing

I could look into boxing and shipping.... maybe set up an account with ups and I could box and ship... I live across from a ups store.
we can discuss it if that's what we want to do.


On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 9:30:13 AM UTC-5, arthur noglak wrote:
I would love to figure out a way to make them available at the local fly shops. 

Ill let Richie chime In with his thoughts but I definitely think people would jump on TPFR merchandise at my shop.

Art


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From: Dalton Terrell
Date:11/30/2015 8:47 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders
Subject: Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} TPFR Product Testing

Gene, these are some pretty damn cool trucker hats, I'll post up some pictures tonight or tomorrow. Same color combo (navy/grey) that my H2 trucker hat started as that got lost to the wind in Wyoming a couple weeks back.

Brian, I think we could easily figure out how to take the money and orders online, but we don't have anyone itching to do the actual boxing and shipping.

Forrest, I have ordered a few sample long sleeve t-shirts from the hat vendor that are polyester, UPF-rated, hopefully one of these will be good for us. But a gracious member is still working on the design of the shirts. I would like to think we could have them by February or maybe sooner. We'll keep everyone in the loop.

Dalton

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cattaraugus creek report

Actually it looks like I may be wrong.  Seems as if New York State changed the rule just a few months ago.  My bad, it was illegal for as long as I have been fishing up there. 
 
 

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 10:51:08 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
That's kind of a shame -- it seems like there are always various "tackle groups" which get reputations like that.  I'm sure a lot of good folks use centerpin gear and respect the fishery. 

I deleted the post regarding "rigs" -- but thank you for making me aware of that.  It never occurred to me to check that using a guide (nor on water where bait is permitted), but I'm angry enough to contact the guy.  When we fished solo, we swung streamers on a poly leader (or teeny t-200 in my case) and did "okay".  I would have been happy just doing that.  I wonder how many folks up there are totally unaware...

I can't imagine hooking 30 or more steelhead in a day.  I think I'd need Tylenol afterward. 

Gene

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 9:52:03 AM UTC-5, Yambag Nelson wrote:
As far as centerpinners go, no they are generally not highly regarded.  I have met some that have been good guys and respectful anglers, but as a group they are notorious for running insanely long drifts without caring if they are floating down in front of other people.  There have been issues with people gutting large female browns for the eggs and throwing the rest of the fish in the bushes on the ontario tribs.  This behavior has also been attributed to the centerpinners who use the eggs for steelhead on the erie tribs.   
 
It is an extremely effective technique though.  Back when the fishing was really good on the erie tribs it was not uncommon for them to hook 30-50 fish a day.  I once met a guy who claimed he caught 100 fish in a day centerpinning but that doesn't seem mathematically possible. 
 
I pretty much exclusively swing with tube flies. 

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:36:50 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
I forgot -- we also used some kind of "small" streamer based upon a Senyo pattern (black and blue, craft fur on a #10 heavy scud hook of some kind).  I like "small" streamers for most all my warm water fishing, so that one was fun for me to fish. 

And also a tube fly -- those things are weird.  Nothing hit the tube fly though. 

Some guys at the mouth of silver creek were "center pinning" with bait bags or something.  I was unfamiliar with this "center pin" thing, but most of the guys we talked to didn't have a high opinion of it (or maybe just the particular individuals doing it).  At first glance, I thought one of those outfits was a fly rod until I saw it flex. 

Gene

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 7:08:38 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
Rob -- We were guided for the majority of the time we were on the water, so we mostly fished an egg and woolly bugger combo, both nymphing and swinging when the temp hit 46F in the afternoon. 

I did use a few of the eggs and those orange, huge PT nymph things.  Got hit on eggs one day behind the cabin. 

So I still have most of your kind donation -- I'll bring to next tie and you can reclaim them ;).  Burger on us regardless -- we could have fished and lost every darned one of 'em and there would be no difference! 

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Glad the flies worked! Which ones were your favorites? 

Lamprey pie, better than a burger 
image1.jpegSent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2015, at 2:09 PM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh -- We still owe you a burger Rob.  We haven't forgotten.  

A Lannister always pays his debts.  

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
We had a good time for our first attempt at steelhead.  None we landed were big, but the smaller, more silvery-colored ones were hard to get into the net!  The bigger, darker ones were easier...but still full of life.    

I learned that the Catt is somewhat temperamental with regard to water levels, but we had a good first day on it.  The second day the Catt was rising fast from rain during the previous night, so we went to 18-mile creek instead, which was throwing too much mud (and oak leaves), so we didn't spend much time there.  Silver creek was money though, and we got some action toward the afternoon on it once we found the fish.  

We gathered from the locals (including a really, really nice spey guy out there) that it has been a fairly tough year up there.  We decided that the 10-11 hooked fish and 7(?) landed between us was good.  

Beth hooked and landed more fish than I did, and she hooked a really big female at one point that pulled out on here right at the net.  That was disappointing for her, but stuff happens.  ;)  

On the way up I wondered whether people kept and/or ate steelhead, but after catching one I don't think I could keep one.  Just a personal choice.  They have a lot of life -- 

Gene

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cattaraugus creek report

That's kind of a shame -- it seems like there are always various "tackle groups" which get reputations like that.  I'm sure a lot of good folks use centerpin gear and respect the fishery. 

I deleted the post regarding "rigs" -- but thank you for making me aware of that.  It never occurred to me to check that using a guide (nor on water where bait is permitted), but I'm angry enough to contact the guy.  When we fished solo, we swung streamers on a poly leader (or teeny t-200 in my case) and did "okay".  I would have been happy just doing that.  I wonder how many folks up there are totally unaware...

I can't imagine hooking 30 or more steelhead in a day.  I think I'd need Tylenol afterward. 

Gene

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 9:52:03 AM UTC-5, Yambag Nelson wrote:
As far as centerpinners go, no they are generally not highly regarded.  I have met some that have been good guys and respectful anglers, but as a group they are notorious for running insanely long drifts without caring if they are floating down in front of other people.  There have been issues with people gutting large female browns for the eggs and throwing the rest of the fish in the bushes on the ontario tribs.  This behavior has also been attributed to the centerpinners who use the eggs for steelhead on the erie tribs.   
 
It is an extremely effective technique though.  Back when the fishing was really good on the erie tribs it was not uncommon for them to hook 30-50 fish a day.  I once met a guy who claimed he caught 100 fish in a day centerpinning but that doesn't seem mathematically possible. 
 
I pretty much exclusively swing with tube flies. 

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:36:50 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
I forgot -- we also used some kind of "small" streamer based upon a Senyo pattern (black and blue, craft fur on a #10 heavy scud hook of some kind).  I like "small" streamers for most all my warm water fishing, so that one was fun for me to fish. 

And also a tube fly -- those things are weird.  Nothing hit the tube fly though. 

Some guys at the mouth of silver creek were "center pinning" with bait bags or something.  I was unfamiliar with this "center pin" thing, but most of the guys we talked to didn't have a high opinion of it (or maybe just the particular individuals doing it).  At first glance, I thought one of those outfits was a fly rod until I saw it flex. 

Gene

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 7:08:38 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
Rob -- We were guided for the majority of the time we were on the water, so we mostly fished an egg and woolly bugger combo, both nymphing and swinging when the temp hit 46F in the afternoon. 

I did use a few of the eggs and those orange, huge PT nymph things.  Got hit on eggs one day behind the cabin. 

So I still have most of your kind donation -- I'll bring to next tie and you can reclaim them ;).  Burger on us regardless -- we could have fished and lost every darned one of 'em and there would be no difference! 

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Glad the flies worked! Which ones were your favorites? 

Lamprey pie, better than a burger 
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On Nov 29, 2015, at 2:09 PM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh -- We still owe you a burger Rob.  We haven't forgotten.  

A Lannister always pays his debts.  

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
We had a good time for our first attempt at steelhead.  None we landed were big, but the smaller, more silvery-colored ones were hard to get into the net!  The bigger, darker ones were easier...but still full of life.    

I learned that the Catt is somewhat temperamental with regard to water levels, but we had a good first day on it.  The second day the Catt was rising fast from rain during the previous night, so we went to 18-mile creek instead, which was throwing too much mud (and oak leaves), so we didn't spend much time there.  Silver creek was money though, and we got some action toward the afternoon on it once we found the fish.  

We gathered from the locals (including a really, really nice spey guy out there) that it has been a fairly tough year up there.  We decided that the 10-11 hooked fish and 7(?) landed between us was good.  

Beth hooked and landed more fish than I did, and she hooked a really big female at one point that pulled out on here right at the net.  That was disappointing for her, but stuff happens.  ;)  

On the way up I wondered whether people kept and/or ate steelhead, but after catching one I don't think I could keep one.  Just a personal choice.  They have a lot of life -- 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cattaraugus creek report

As far as centerpinners go, no they are generally not highly regarded.  I have met some that have been good guys and respectful anglers, but as a group they are notorious for running insanely long drifts without caring if they are floating down in front of other people.  There have been issues with people gutting large female browns for the eggs and throwing the rest of the fish in the bushes on the ontario tribs.  This behavior has also been attributed to the centerpinners who use the eggs for steelhead on the erie tribs.   
 
It is an extremely effective technique though.  Back when the fishing was really good on the erie tribs it was not uncommon for them to hook 30-50 fish a day.  I once met a guy who claimed he caught 100 fish in a day centerpinning but that doesn't seem mathematically possible. 
 
I pretty much exclusively swing with tube flies. 

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:36:50 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
I forgot -- we also used some kind of "small" streamer based upon a Senyo pattern (black and blue, craft fur on a #10 heavy scud hook of some kind).  I like "small" streamers for most all my warm water fishing, so that one was fun for me to fish. 

And also a tube fly -- those things are weird.  Nothing hit the tube fly though. 

Some guys at the mouth of silver creek were "center pinning" with bait bags or something.  I was unfamiliar with this "center pin" thing, but most of the guys we talked to didn't have a high opinion of it (or maybe just the particular individuals doing it).  At first glance, I thought one of those outfits was a fly rod until I saw it flex. 

Gene

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 7:08:38 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
Rob -- We were guided for the majority of the time we were on the water, so we mostly fished an egg and woolly bugger combo, both nymphing and swinging when the temp hit 46F in the afternoon. 

I did use a few of the eggs and those orange, huge PT nymph things.  Got hit on eggs one day behind the cabin. 

So I still have most of your kind donation -- I'll bring to next tie and you can reclaim them ;).  Burger on us regardless -- we could have fished and lost every darned one of 'em and there would be no difference! 

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Glad the flies worked! Which ones were your favorites? 

Lamprey pie, better than a burger 
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On Nov 29, 2015, at 2:09 PM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh -- We still owe you a burger Rob.  We haven't forgotten.  

A Lannister always pays his debts.  

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
We had a good time for our first attempt at steelhead.  None we landed were big, but the smaller, more silvery-colored ones were hard to get into the net!  The bigger, darker ones were easier...but still full of life.    

I learned that the Catt is somewhat temperamental with regard to water levels, but we had a good first day on it.  The second day the Catt was rising fast from rain during the previous night, so we went to 18-mile creek instead, which was throwing too much mud (and oak leaves), so we didn't spend much time there.  Silver creek was money though, and we got some action toward the afternoon on it once we found the fish.  

We gathered from the locals (including a really, really nice spey guy out there) that it has been a fairly tough year up there.  We decided that the 10-11 hooked fish and 7(?) landed between us was good.  

Beth hooked and landed more fish than I did, and she hooked a really big female at one point that pulled out on here right at the net.  That was disappointing for her, but stuff happens.  ;)  

On the way up I wondered whether people kept and/or ate steelhead, but after catching one I don't think I could keep one.  Just a personal choice.  They have a lot of life -- 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} TPFR Product Testing

I would love to figure out a way to make them available at the local fly shops. 

Ill let Richie chime In with his thoughts but I definitely think people would jump on TPFR merchandise at my shop.

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Gene, these are some pretty damn cool trucker hats, I'll post up some pictures tonight or tomorrow. Same color combo (navy/grey) that my H2 trucker hat started as that got lost to the wind in Wyoming a couple weeks back.

Brian, I think we could easily figure out how to take the money and orders online, but we don't have anyone itching to do the actual boxing and shipping.

Forrest, I have ordered a few sample long sleeve t-shirts from the hat vendor that are polyester, UPF-rated, hopefully one of these will be good for us. But a gracious member is still working on the design of the shirts. I would like to think we could have them by February or maybe sooner. We'll keep everyone in the loop.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cattaraugus creek report

Unless you were on the res it is not legal to fish more than one fly at a time on the NY great lakes tribs.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} TPFR Product Testing

As a frequent trucker hat wearer and a very frequent small stream fisherman, I'll tell you that the first thing to go on them is the mesh comes unraveled due to abrasion (it actually feels like craft fur...nice and soft!).  I'll buy one and do a time-lapse thing for longevity after about 40-50 trips to SNP this coming spring. 

My old Urban hat is still going, but it's brown with sweat, and she keeps trying to hide it from me. 

Gene

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:47:51 AM UTC-5, Dalton Terrell wrote:
Gene, these are some pretty damn cool trucker hats, I'll post up some pictures tonight or tomorrow. Same color combo (navy/grey) that my H2 trucker hat started as that got lost to the wind in Wyoming a couple weeks back.

Brian, I think we could easily figure out how to take the money and orders online, but we don't have anyone itching to do the actual boxing and shipping.

Forrest, I have ordered a few sample long sleeve t-shirts from the hat vendor that are polyester, UPF-rated, hopefully one of these will be good for us. But a gracious member is still working on the design of the shirts. I would like to think we could have them by February or maybe sooner. We'll keep everyone in the loop.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} TPFR Product Testing

Gene, these are some pretty damn cool trucker hats, I'll post up some pictures tonight or tomorrow. Same color combo (navy/grey) that my H2 trucker hat started as that got lost to the wind in Wyoming a couple weeks back.

Brian, I think we could easily figure out how to take the money and orders online, but we don't have anyone itching to do the actual boxing and shipping.

Forrest, I have ordered a few sample long sleeve t-shirts from the hat vendor that are polyester, UPF-rated, hopefully one of these will be good for us. But a gracious member is still working on the design of the shirts. I would like to think we could have them by February or maybe sooner. We'll keep everyone in the loop.

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cattaraugus creek report

I forgot -- we also used some kind of "small" streamer based upon a Senyo pattern (black and blue, craft fur on a #10 heavy scud hook of some kind).  I like "small" streamers for most all my warm water fishing, so that one was fun for me to fish. 

And also a tube fly -- those things are weird.  Nothing hit the tube fly though. 

Some guys at the mouth of silver creek were "center pinning" with bait bags or something.  I was unfamiliar with this "center pin" thing, but most of the guys we talked to didn't have a high opinion of it (or maybe just the particular individuals doing it).  At first glance, I thought one of those outfits was a fly rod until I saw it flex. 

Gene

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 7:08:38 AM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
Rob -- We were guided for the majority of the time we were on the water, so we mostly fished an egg and woolly bugger combo, both nymphing and swinging when the temp hit 46F in the afternoon. 

I did use a few of the eggs and those orange, huge PT nymph things.  Got hit on eggs one day behind the cabin. 

So I still have most of your kind donation -- I'll bring to next tie and you can reclaim them ;).  Burger on us regardless -- we could have fished and lost every darned one of 'em and there would be no difference! 

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Glad the flies worked! Which ones were your favorites? 

Lamprey pie, better than a burger 
image1.jpegSent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2015, at 2:09 PM, TurbineBlade <doubl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh -- We still owe you a burger Rob.  We haven't forgotten.  

A Lannister always pays his debts.  

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
We had a good time for our first attempt at steelhead.  None we landed were big, but the smaller, more silvery-colored ones were hard to get into the net!  The bigger, darker ones were easier...but still full of life.    

I learned that the Catt is somewhat temperamental with regard to water levels, but we had a good first day on it.  The second day the Catt was rising fast from rain during the previous night, so we went to 18-mile creek instead, which was throwing too much mud (and oak leaves), so we didn't spend much time there.  Silver creek was money though, and we got some action toward the afternoon on it once we found the fish.  

We gathered from the locals (including a really, really nice spey guy out there) that it has been a fairly tough year up there.  We decided that the 10-11 hooked fish and 7(?) landed between us was good.  

Beth hooked and landed more fish than I did, and she hooked a really big female at one point that pulled out on here right at the net.  That was disappointing for her, but stuff happens.  ;)  

On the way up I wondered whether people kept and/or ate steelhead, but after catching one I don't think I could keep one.  Just a personal choice.  They have a lot of life -- 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} TPFR Product Testing

I'll be there for one! 

Any progress on shirts, too? 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Conway River Browns

Watch your step on that footpath along the left bank there.  The leaves cover up some big rocks I found out ;). 

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:30:31 AM UTC-5, Forrest Allen wrote:
We mainly fished the Conway for the ~3/4 mile below the confluence of Devil's Ditch. We spent a little time on Devil's Ditch, but mainly just camped up that way. I regret not going further up for more opportunities for brookies - there were still browns a little ways up there. 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Conway River Browns

We mainly fished the Conway for the ~3/4 mile below the confluence of Devil's Ditch. We spent a little time on Devil's Ditch, but mainly just camped up that way. I regret not going further up for more opportunities for brookies - there were still browns a little ways up there. 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} TPFR Product Testing

Is that a trucker hat?  I tend to wear those the most because they're cool (temp).  Well, they also make you look cool.

Gene

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cattaraugus creek report

Rob -- We were guided for the majority of the time we were on the water, so we mostly fished an egg and woolly bugger combo, both nymphing and swinging when the temp hit 46F in the afternoon. 

I did use a few of the eggs and those orange, huge PT nymph things.  Got hit on eggs one day behind the cabin. 

So I still have most of your kind donation -- I'll bring to next tie and you can reclaim them ;).  Burger on us regardless -- we could have fished and lost every darned one of 'em and there would be no difference! 

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:
Glad the flies worked! Which ones were your favorites? 

Lamprey pie, better than a burger 
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Oh -- We still owe you a burger Rob.  We haven't forgotten.  

A Lannister always pays his debts.  

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
We had a good time for our first attempt at steelhead.  None we landed were big, but the smaller, more silvery-colored ones were hard to get into the net!  The bigger, darker ones were easier...but still full of life.    

I learned that the Catt is somewhat temperamental with regard to water levels, but we had a good first day on it.  The second day the Catt was rising fast from rain during the previous night, so we went to 18-mile creek instead, which was throwing too much mud (and oak leaves), so we didn't spend much time there.  Silver creek was money though, and we got some action toward the afternoon on it once we found the fish.  

We gathered from the locals (including a really, really nice spey guy out there) that it has been a fairly tough year up there.  We decided that the 10-11 hooked fish and 7(?) landed between us was good.  

Beth hooked and landed more fish than I did, and she hooked a really big female at one point that pulled out on here right at the net.  That was disappointing for her, but stuff happens.  ;)  

On the way up I wondered whether people kept and/or ate steelhead, but after catching one I don't think I could keep one.  Just a personal choice.  They have a lot of life -- 

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} TPFR Product Testing

ebay would work

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Sunday, November 29, 2015

Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Poachers at 4mr and chain

Have called VDGIF a couple times on poaching....  Even without traffic, their closest office is more than an hour away in Fredericksburg so basically they don't patrol and won't respond to calls. 



On Thursday, November 26, 2015 at 7:19:24 PM UTC-5, arthur noglak wrote:
I was at chain bridge from 3 to 5 today. I didn't see anyone but ill keep my eyes peeled.

Art

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} TPFR Product Testing

John,

We don't have anything set up to allow sales outside of our events now, but these hats will certainly be available at the next beer toe.

Dalton

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Re: {Tidal Potomac Fly Rodders} Re: Cattaraugus creek report

Glad the flies worked! Which ones were your favorites? 

Lamprey pie, better than a burger 
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On Nov 29, 2015, at 2:09 PM, TurbineBlade <doublebclan@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh -- We still owe you a burger Rob.  We haven't forgotten.  

A Lannister always pays his debts.  

Gene

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
We had a good time for our first attempt at steelhead.  None we landed were big, but the smaller, more silvery-colored ones were hard to get into the net!  The bigger, darker ones were easier...but still full of life.    

I learned that the Catt is somewhat temperamental with regard to water levels, but we had a good first day on it.  The second day the Catt was rising fast from rain during the previous night, so we went to 18-mile creek instead, which was throwing too much mud (and oak leaves), so we didn't spend much time there.  Silver creek was money though, and we got some action toward the afternoon on it once we found the fish.  

We gathered from the locals (including a really, really nice spey guy out there) that it has been a fairly tough year up there.  We decided that the 10-11 hooked fish and 7(?) landed between us was good.  

Beth hooked and landed more fish than I did, and she hooked a really big female at one point that pulled out on here right at the net.  That was disappointing for her, but stuff happens.  ;)  

On the way up I wondered whether people kept and/or ate steelhead, but after catching one I don't think I could keep one.  Just a personal choice.  They have a lot of life -- 

Gene

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