Just one comment on multi-tip lines, which have advantages that to me justify their cost, particularly if you encounter varied fishing situations and don't like the weight and/or bulk of spare spools. If you have a casting hitch when you load or unload the rod, the line can hinge a bit where the backing and line loop together, which has happened to me as not he best caster ever to come down the pike. However, there's a way (other than better casting) to minimize the problem, assuming you're not changing
lines every 15 minutes. A couple of drops of pliobond at the joint discourages hinging, yet is both pliable and removable without too much difficulty.On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:45 AM, <tidal-potomac-fly-rodders@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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- Cheap Full sinking fly line [7 Updates]
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- SAVE THE DATE! Family and Youth Casting Call May 3rd and 4th [1 Update]
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JP <3jpdune@gmail.com> May 03 12:33PM -0700
Looking to switch my WF floating line to full sinking line to target the shad. On a MAJOR budget. Suggestions?
P.S. 9 foot six weight, sufficient or no?
Dalton Terrell <daltonbterrell@gmail.com> May 03 12:55PM -0700
JP, wish I could help you out on this but as far as I know there aren't
many options out there for cheap full-sinking lines. But Dan put it nicely
when speaking to one of our members at TieFest earlier this year, a
full-sink line at $70-100 is about the same price as gas for one or two
trout fishing trips and will keep you shad fishing for several years. You
may be able to find a discontinued or close out line on the internet for
cheaper but I am weary of this after spending $20 or so on a discontinued
full-sinking line a few years back and having the line break multiple times
on fish and snags with 0X tippet.
And yeah, your 6wt will be solid out there for shad, aim for a 200ish grain
shooting head or 6wt labeled sinking line.
Dalton
Kevin Eastman <kjeastman@gmail.com> May 03 02:05PM -0700
Another option would be sinking poly leaders, which should be around $10-12
and work quite well. Might be a bit heavy for a six weight, but you could
also find some T-8 at a shop and cut it to a length you're comfortable
with.
On Friday, May 3, 2013 3:33:06 PM UTC-4, JP wrote:
Sardman <morpianesi@gmail.com> May 03 02:24PM -0700
I had the same problem and bought a #6 Rio from ebay (New) for 40 bucks
including shipping.
It is black, and other than that, works fine.
Consider I am new to flyfishign and don't really know what I am
doing.....but I have caught my share of fish on it.
with the sinking line I find it hard to cast because the line sinks at my
feet and does not strip out; the roll cast is also messy because if you are
not quick, the line sinks and my 6 wt does not have the power to take it
out of the water.
Most of the times I try to save money buying a cheap surrogate I end up
frustrated and spending more at the end. Consider bringing lunch to work
for an entire week and you won't feel those $70 .
Mauro.
On Friday, May 3, 2013 12:33:06 PM UTC-7, JP wrote:
JP <3jpdune@gmail.com> May 03 07:55PM -0700
Thanks for all the information everyone. I think my best option here is to just dig in and invest in a high quality sinking line. Another question here, and sorry I'm not trying to be that annoying new guy haha, but can you launch your own boat at Fletcher's? I've perused their website but I can't seem to find anything.
Brendan <brendanlilly@gmail.com> May 03 08:32PM -0700
while it's nice having a sinking line, if you're just using it for shad and
on a tight budget, i'd go for one of the alternatives... lots of different
names for it, kevin mentioned the sinking poly leaders, also heard it
called a sink tip or mini-head... a little awkward casting but not terrible
and you can usually pick them up in 2 or 3 packs for $10. It'll be hard
getting down deep for the american's but you should still be able to catch
a few and more than enough depth for the hickories. If you haven't done
shad fishing and just want to try it out, and don't have any other use for
a sink tip, i'd hold off on dropping the $50-120/line and save for it for
one of the other money pits in this sport.
at some point i'd be curious to hear from people who have used one of the
multi-tip line setups...??? seem a little clunky and have heard mixed
reviews but more and more companies seem to be making them and certainly
would be useful certain situations.
On Friday, May 3, 2013 10:55:33 PM UTC-4, JP wrote:
Daniel Davala <daniel.davala@gmail.com> May 04 06:45AM -0400
I'm a big fan of multi-tip lines and use one on my 8-weight frequently.
The main (floating) portion of the line is pretty similar to a standard
weight forward floating line, only it is looped up front where a standard
line would normally begin a front taper toward the leader. So,
effectively, the main portion ends in the thicker, "belly" section of the
head. This gives these lines by design the ability to turn over some
pretty significant sink tips that a standard weight forward line with a
front taper would have trouble with - the "awkward" casting feeling you
mention. The tip set these lines include usually have a floating tip, an
intermediate tip, a type 3 tip (3 inches per second), and a type 6 tip (6
ips), and the tips themselves are usually 15' long. Of course, one can
make additional tips out of T-## material in whatever length and weight
desired. I have used these lines very effectively for Shad out here and
the 15' type 6 tip will get down quickly enough, though still not as
quickly as a full sinking line. Of course, the longer it takes a line to
get down, the more time there is between fish - i.e. fewer fish overall.
Multi-tip lines are great out of a small boat or kayak as well, since you
can make major depth changes without ever un-stringing the rod or rigging
multiple outfits. The kicker as it pertains to this thread though, is
these are not budget lines. On average, a multi-tip line of good quality
will retail anywhere from $110-$139 unless on closeout (which usually means
the popular sizes are gone already). A cheaper alternative - make your own
multi-tip line by cutting the front taper off of a standard floating line
and build a new loop in it. Then, find, build, or purchase a 15' sinking
tip or a package of T-material (T-8, T-11, T-14, etc.) and loop it up
front. Then again, those on a budget are often less inclined to chop up
their perfectly good floating line, so it's a bit of a catch 22.
Ultimately, I still believe a full sinking line is a vital piece of
equipment for a lot more than Shad fishing on this river. I remember one
year Trent Jones fished almost the entire season out here with a sinking
line, for a very wide range of species. I know I use a sinking line or
sinking tip system of one type or another for the majority of my Tidal
Potomac fishing as well. Besides, most of our local shops do have less
expensive full sinking alternatives for around $59. A lot of people spend
that on drinks on a Friday night. Your local shops are also more than
happy to switch lines out on your existing reel if you don't have or don't
want to buy a spare spool or reel, and just hand you your floater on a
storage spool until you're ready to put it back on.
Oh, and I remember the year of Dalton's "budget" sinking line. That line
got shorter and shorter every time he went out. I know I built several
loops on it as it did. I think we finally scrapped the thing once it was
about 45' long, it must have had a core problem, or no core at all in some
places. "Caveat emptor" as they say, factory "rejects" are rejected for a
reason.
Dan Davala
"Rob@robsnowhite.com" <rob@robsnowhite.com> May 03 05:33PM -0400
Try discount fly and tackle on Santa Fe dr in Denver. They have $9 factory rejects. I have some old 80's looking full sinks if u want. Let me know.
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Vic Velasco <velascovictorv@gmail.com> May 03 12:54PM -0700
OH MAN WAS THAT WORK!!! But it was tons of fun seeing kids get turned on
to fishing!!! Nice meeting all you fellow flyrodders out there today! I'm
leaving the red shirt home tomorrow and I'm coming with my kids to burn
some worms!!!
On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 9:53:40 PM UTC-4, Bryan wrote:
Tie&Fly <jpbegala@email.wm.edu> May 03 12:54PM -0700
Apparently the cicadas have been sighted in droves in New Jersey! Anyone
been seeing them in the DC area yet? I'll be home from college in a week
and I'm already itching to tie up some flies and hammer largemouths on my 5
wt. Nothin beats big bass on a light rod, anyone else planning on a little
topwater bass action in the coming weeks? Also what are your favorite
patterns?
Terry Cummings <flycstrva56@gmail.com> May 03 09:40AM -0400
Dave want to give the flats a try this weekend. I'm open. Terry
Jeffrey Silvan <jeffreysilvan@gmail.com> May 03 09:45AM -0400
I'd recommend looking out for some fishing reports for that area. My trip
ended up getting cancelled a couple weeks ago because according to the
guide, the fishing was too poor. He said since the bass don't go up there
to spawn, it's only to feed, and neither the herring nor the white perch
were running. In the week leading up to my trip, my guide told me none of
his guide friends had caught a single fish that entire week. A lot can
change in two weeks, though, so hopefully things have changed by now.
Steve F <spfbeaver@gmail.com> May 03 08:47AM -0700
Charlie Church <charliechurch1@gmail.com> May 03 08:53AM -0700
The winter run in VB was lacking compared to past years as well. Still good
but not lights out like it normally can be.
Mike Bailey <mike@baileywx.com> May 03 12:13PM -0400
This data from MRFSS and NOAA may help explain why.[image: Inline image 1]
Matthew Longley <matthew.longley@gmail.com> May 03 10:12AM -0700
Thanks Animal, can you help us read this? What does "directed fishing
trips" mean?
On Friday, May 3, 2013 12:13:05 PM UTC-4, Animal wrote:
Ivan Sanchez <ivansanchezhoxon@gmail.com> May 03 05:17AM -0700
Here is a short video of the catch:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ivansanchesflyfish
On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 8:40:26 PM UTC-4, Ivan Sanchez wrote:
Jarrod Hills <jmhills@gmail.com> May 03 05:09AM -0700
That map was exactly what I was trying to find earlier but couldnt. Its
bookmarked now. I was up in NJ last weekend for a family thing and was able
to break away for a couple of hours for some one on one instruction on a
couple of spey casts. Cant wait to get out and give them a go.
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